The Daily WTF: Curious Perversions in Information Technology

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
Matt Westwood:
simple:
trwtf:
Larry:
Nagesh:
I am glad TDWTF is finaly be coming back after skiping bogus selebration of ejection British.
TRWTF is foreign tech support.

Le TRWTF, c'est les Frogs.

Unneccessary "Le" - Stands for "The"

"Le vrai quoi le foutre" maybe?

Probably more accurately gramatically: Le vrai qu'est-ce que tu fous." Any native francophones care to help out?

The form I've heard is "qu'est-ce fuck".

But I'm a Canadian anglophone who learned that from another Canadian anglophone, who in turn picked it up in French immersion. So it's probably totally wrong.

Matt Westwood · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Andy:
Bort:
It's because when you say the date out loud, you don't say "5th July." You say "July 5th."
Well, like The Mole said, no we don't, not in the UK, and certainly not in France.

"cinq juillet", is it not?

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

SeySayux:
1) Actually, the elections are over, it's the government formation that's taking a long time. But I guess that's a tad difficult to understand for an American that's used to a two-party winner-takes-all system. 2) The government formations are taking almost 13 months now and still counting. Wikipedia has a nice article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Belgian_government_formation
Next time you bash Belgium, please study it first. Thanks.

PS. This does not make me a "Belgium fanboy". It does make me a Belgian, though.

To be frank, expecting Americans to know the details of how the Belgian system works, even though Belgians are familiar with the American system, is like complaining that you know everything about some celebrity's personal life and work, but he doesn't even know your name. How inconsiderate!

C-Octothorpe · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Mike:
Even this american non-developer figured out in the first few lines that the problem lie in the backwards dates in the EU. Something was setting system time using the american standard on a french system - tracking it down would be the hard part.
And certainly should never have taken that long.

You're missing a step here because first you have to know there is a date being set. I mean really, who the f*ck sets the system date in a report. I know that wouldn't be my first thought, and probably not most other developers either.

Once you see the system date (or any date for that matter) being set, it's really easy to make the locale connection...

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

HP PhaserJet:
Anonymous non Coward:
"Most common usage See also: Category:Date and time representation by country [edit] Date See also: Date format by country
In terms of dates, most countries use the "day month year" format. In terms of people the big-endian form is also very common, since that is used in East Asia, Iran and partially in India."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Medium Indian is roughly use , in ... The USA only.

So that's about the same as with USI.

What's "Medium Indian"?

"Medium Endian" - bad visual pun. It's what's between "big-endian" and "little-endian".

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

CDave:
Severity One:
Well, the typical American unawareness of people in other countries doing things differently (actually, the entire world doing things differently) is an issue, of course. Well, at least we don't get 'Letter' as standard paper format instead of A4. That's the progress over the last 20 years. Now, if we wouldn't be wouldn't be forced to enter our state, (bit useless if you live in a country with just over 400,000 people) that would be really swell.
But that you can just change the computer's system date with a simple statement? That's seriously messed up.

What makes you think Americans should conform to the way you do things? Are you really so arrogant that you can't tolerate any other way of doing things other than your own? Every time I see some arrogant pos like this I thank god my ancestors left the "old" country.

Let them have this one Dave, they don't have much to be proud of anymore, you know.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

HP PhaserJet:
Anonymous non Coward:
"Most common usage See also: Category:Date and time representation by country [edit] Date See also: Date format by country
In terms of dates, most countries use the "day month year" format. In terms of people the big-endian form is also very common, since that is used in East Asia, Iran and partially in India."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Medium Indian is roughly use , in ... The USA only.

So that's about the same as with USI.

What's "Medium Indian"?

I think he meant "Indian Medium". That's someone from the sub-continent who can contact the dead.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

trwtf:
"Medium Endian" - bad visual pun. It's what's between "big-endian" and "little-endian".

I just find it funny when someone is typing a rant that demonstrates a clear superiority complex and then makes a typo 'cause they couldn't keep things in perspective.

Matt Westwood · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Zebedee:
That's interesting, most people in the UK would say two thousand and eleven. How would you say the year 2000, twenty-hundred?

Hmm ... would they? I've been using "twenty-oh-nine, twenty-ten, twenty-eleven ..." Never stopped to think it may be an unusual approach.

Confusion will arrive when we discuss twenty-twenty vision in 9 years time or so.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Zebedee:
That's interesting, most people in the UK would say two thousand and eleven. How would you say the year 2000, twenty-hundred?

How did you say 1999, One-thousand-nine-hundred-ninety-nine?

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

TheCPUWizard:
Bort:
It's because when you say the date out loud, you don't say "5th July." You say "July 5th."

No, I say the "5th of July".

Here in the Imperium Romanum, we say "The third of the Nones of July".

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

HP PhaserJet:
Zebedee:
That's interesting, most people in the UK would say two thousand and eleven. How would you say the year 2000, twenty-hundred?

You're misunderstanding the pattern, the pattern is what way is shortest.

We'd say it "Two-thou-sand" because it has fewer syllables than "Twen-ty-hund-red".

And we say "Twen-ty-ele-ven" because it has fewer syllables than "Two-thou-sand-and-ele-ven".

When it comes to informal language, I think this shortest-way pattern is acceptable. You just used a contraction. Are you going to start throwing apostrophe's everywhere.

Well I'll forgive myself for misunderstanding the pattern, having been given only one sample to work from. And it's not me that introduced the contraction:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and) eleven 2000 - Twenty hundred 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

That follows a pattern.

The UK way:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and)eleven 2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Two thousand and eleven

Your way:

2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

Even less syllables:

2011 - Two (thousand and) eleven

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

There is nothing more irritating and insulting* than seeing tv adverts for which they haven't taken the effort to localize and instead say "July fifth"!

You're irritated and insulted that the whole world doesn't do things just like you? Wow, life must be rough.

Matt Westwood · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Julius Caesar:
TheCPUWizard:
Bort:
It's because when you say the date out loud, you don't say "5th July." You say "July 5th."

No, I say the "5th of July".

Here in the Imperium Romanum, we say "The third of the Nones of July".

Oh yes of course, using that new-fangled month named for that ugly old prune who got what was coming to him in the Senate that time.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Interesting that nobody has pointed out that the US Military uses dd-mm-yy. They also use a 24 hour clock.

And FWIW, If some were to walk up and say "5th of July" or "July 5th", I'd probabaly be able to understand them either way.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

CDave:
Severity One:
Well, the typical American unawareness of people in other countries doing things differently (actually, the entire world doing things differently) is an issue, of course. Well, at least we don't get 'Letter' as standard paper format instead of A4. That's the progress over the last 20 years. Now, if we wouldn't be wouldn't be forced to enter our state, (bit useless if you live in a country with just over 400,000 people) that would be really swell.
But that you can just change the computer's system date with a simple statement? That's seriously messed up.

What makes you think Americans should conform to the way you do things? Are you really so arrogant that you can't tolerate any other way of doing things other than your own? Every time I see some arrogant pos like this I thank god my ancestors left the "old" country.

If you don't want to do business with the U.S., you don't have to. If Americans are causing a real problem, don't work with them. If it's not a real problem... what are complaining about then?

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Sponjk:
There is nothing more irritating and insulting* than seeing tv adverts for which they haven't taken the effort to localize and instead say "July fifth"!
You're irritated and insulted that the whole world doesn't do things just like you? Wow, life must be rough.

Typical European arrogance. Complaining about a lack of standards while still speaking over a dozen different languages.

Matt Westwood · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Zebedee:
HP PhaserJet:
Zebedee:
That's interesting, most people in the UK would say two thousand and eleven. How would you say the year 2000, twenty-hundred?

You're misunderstanding the pattern, the pattern is what way is shortest.

We'd say it "Two-thou-sand" because it has fewer syllables than "Twen-ty-hund-red".

And we say "Twen-ty-ele-ven" because it has fewer syllables than "Two-thou-sand-and-ele-ven".

When it comes to informal language, I think this shortest-way pattern is acceptable. You just used a contraction. Are you going to start throwing apostrophe's everywhere.

Well I'll forgive myself for misunderstanding the pattern, having been given only one sample to work from. And it's not me that introduced the contraction:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and) eleven 2000 - Twenty hundred 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

That follows a pattern.

The UK way:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and)eleven 2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Two thousand and eleven

Your way:

2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

Even less syllables:

2011 - Two (thousand and) eleven

Okay, as an exercise for the advanced student - express:

1901 2001

in UK, American, Dutch and Zebedee format.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

anand jeyahar:
Hmm.. that rules out AZERTY as the layout i wanna try next. I am happy i tried out the DVORAK, but am beginning to think it can be improved. has anybody seen this(http://patorjk.com/keyboard-layout-analyzer/)??

Unless you plan to write in French, AZERTY is useless. Its only advantage is to offer easy access to some accented characters frequently used in French. Everything else about it pretty much sucks, especially for us gamers who constantly have to change bindings or switch keymaps depending on whatever method the game devs used to detect keystrokes.

Mason Wheeler · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

ShatteredArm:
Dates (and everything else) should be in order from most general to least. That makes the ISO format superior, and dd/mm/yy one of the worst.

So do you find the way the US (and pretty much the entire rest of the world, for that matter) does mailing addresses to be objectionable?

Also, in another case of bizarre out-of-order ordering, did Europeans design the INSERT, UPDATE and DELETE syntaxes for SQL, but Americans designed the SELECT syntax?

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Zebedee:
HP PhaserJet:
Zebedee:
That's interesting, most people in the UK would say two thousand and eleven. How would you say the year 2000, twenty-hundred?

You're misunderstanding the pattern, the pattern is what way is shortest.

We'd say it "Two-thou-sand" because it has fewer syllables than "Twen-ty-hund-red".

And we say "Twen-ty-ele-ven" because it has fewer syllables than "Two-thou-sand-and-ele-ven".

When it comes to informal language, I think this shortest-way pattern is acceptable. You just used a contraction. Are you going to start throwing apostrophe's everywhere.

Well I'll forgive myself for misunderstanding the pattern, having been given only one sample to work from. And it's not me that introduced the contraction:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and) eleven 2000 - Twenty hundred 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

That follows a pattern.

The UK way:

1900 - Nineteen hundred 1911 - Nineteen (hundred and)eleven 2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Two thousand and eleven

Your way:

2000 - Two Thousand 2011 - Twenty (hundred and) eleven

Even less syllables:

2011 - Two (thousand and) eleven

Ummm... the pattern he was referring to is the fewest syllables. People around here often say "Two-thousand" and "Twenty-eleven"***. I've never heard anyone say "Twenty-hundred" except you.

***Then again, it's a fairly diverse country. People from one region might be insulted that you are implicitly conflating them with people from another region.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Abso:
Matt Westwood:
Matt Westwood:
simple:
trwtf:
Larry:
Nagesh:
I am glad TDWTF is finaly be coming back after skiping bogus selebration of ejection British.
TRWTF is foreign tech support.

Le TRWTF, c'est les Frogs.

Unneccessary "Le" - Stands for "The"

"Le vrai quoi le foutre" maybe?

Probably more accurately gramatically: Le vrai qu'est-ce que tu fous." Any native francophones care to help out?

The form I've heard is "qu'est-ce fuck".

But I'm a Canadian anglophone who learned that from another Canadian anglophone, who in turn picked it up in French immersion. So it's probably totally wrong.

Here in France, when we're not busy eating cheese, being on strike, or surrendering to the Germans, we usually find that WTF is not literally translatable. Those of us who are Internet-savvy write "WTF" and pronounce it "what ze fuck" wiz our sexy accent. "quoi le foutre" makes no sense but I've seen it used once or twice by people trying to be funny.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

hai, the Japanese are

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

I've read half way through the first page of comments, and I've seen several people say they expected this behavior.

I thought that with using a built-in date class, the class would consider the regional settings on the computer and make this work transparently.

So now if I try to localize my program using built-in date functions, I have to fucking worry about the order of the month and day? Unbelievable.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

SeySayux:
1) Actually, the elections are over, it's the government formation that's taking a long time. But I guess that's a tad difficult to understand for an American that's used to a two-party winner-takes-all system. 2) The government formations are taking almost 13 months now and still counting. Wikipedia has a nice article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Belgian_government_formation
Next time you bash Belgium, please study it first. Thanks.

As an American, I admit I'm not all that familiar with parliamentary governments. But 13 months to form a government? I think after Britain's last election it took them about a week, and usually it's a matter of a couple of days. Israel may have the most parties in their parliament of any country -- I read once that Israel has NEVER had a majority government, not sure if that's true -- and they're constitutionally limited to 45 days to form a government.

Anybody else on here from countries with parliamentary systems? How long does it usually take to form a government? I'd guess when one party has a majority, it's a day or two, but when you have to form a coalition, presumably longer.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Patrick:
Mike:
Even this american non-developer figured out in the first few lines that the problem lie in the backwards dates in the EU.

Backward in the EU? You find it normal that the US system uses (middle size unit - month)/(small size unit - day)/(big size unit - year)???

Come on, get real

We think you are backwards. We think of the month first, then the day, then the year. To think of it in any other order is backwards to us. We also put our adjectives before the nouns.

neminem · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
Mike:
Even this american non-developer figured out in the first few lines that the problem lie in the backwards dates in the EU. Something was setting system time using the american standard on a french system - tracking it down would be the hard part.
And certainly should never have taken that long.

You're missing a step here because first you have to know there is a date being set. I mean really, who the f*ck sets the system date in a report. I know that wouldn't be my first thought, and probably not most other developers either.

Once you see the system date (or any date for that matter) being set, it's really easy to make the locale connection...

But, you do know there's a date being set. You know there's a date being set, because they just told you: every time they run your scripts, the date changes. From that, any half-competent person should be able to figure out (by the reflexive property): something, somewhere, is changing the date.

Thus, the real wtf (other than VBA) is that they couldn't even reproduce it. If all you know is that someone in France keeps reproducing this issue, but you can't, even if you don't know what script is causing the issue or why, perhaps the first thing you should try is running all the scripts they ran, to see if any of them caused the issue... on a French OS? Or at least with French regional settings?

I certainly agree that the specific way the date turned out to have been set was a major WTF, and not on the part of the programmer, but they still should have been able to reproduce it once the problem had been mentioned a couple times.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Nobody believed the French. Not the entire country, or Frenchmen in general, but rather the folks who worked at the European Branch Office in Paris.

Nobody believed the French. The entire country, all Frenchmen in general, and the folks who worked at the European Branch Office in Paris.

FTFY

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Someone who can't be bothered to login from work:
Meep:
Zebedee:
It was fairly obvious from the first sentence that this was going to have something to do with the unusual way Americans represent dates.

Ah, as opposed to the international standard of yymmdd, or, wait, is it ddmmyy?

It just breaks my heart that I'm not a European and don't have a bunch of obsessive compulsive Belgian bureaucrats to regulate every fucking aspect of my life.

Belgium can't regulate anything, they can't even elect a government right now. Seriously, they went for nearly eight months without one. They might still be without one for all I know.

I'm sure the US and everywhere else in the world has its own fair share of stupid bureaucratic laws anyway.

No, since the fall of the USSR, you Europeans really do have, per capita, more laws and regulations than most of the rest of the world combined, US included. You really do have the government's finger up your asshole from cradle to grave.

The whole date thing is indicative: the US government has wanted to switch over to metric, and would gladly adopted the ISO standard, but they do not have the power to force the country to do that. Individual states can do it, but the feds can't, even with the ridiculously broad interpretations of the commerce clause and general welfare clause.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

anonymouser:
Interesting that nobody has pointed out that the US Military uses dd-mm-yy. They also use a 24 hour clock.
And FWIW, If some were to walk up and say "5th of July" or "July 5th", I'd probabaly be able to understand them either way.

I used to be a consultant to the US Air Force, and we regularly used dd-mmm-yy, e.g. 05-Jul-2011. This is more difficult to sort and to parse, but it does have the distinct advantage of being unambiguous in the face of competing formats. That is, if you see 05-07-2011 does that mean 5th of July or May 7th? But 05-Jul-2011 is pretty obvious.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

paul:
I've read half way through the first page of comments, and I've seen several people say they expected this behavior.
I thought that with using a built-in date class, the class would consider the regional settings on the computer and make this work transparently.

So now if I try to localize my program using built-in date functions, I have to fucking worry about the order of the month and day? Unbelievable.

Yeah, I could understand if Date were a class and it had year, month and day properties. If it were under System, it would make plenty of sense.

Though, if you really want to internationalize, not just "make it work in Europe, too" you might want to handle the Chinese, the civil Islamic and the Hebrew calendars.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

ContraCorners:
Severity One:
Well, the typical American unawareness of people in other countries doing things differently (actually, the entire world doing things differently) is an issue, of course...
What is this "entire world" of which you speak?

I think "entire world" means "including places outside of Texas".

I used to live in Ohio. I went to visit a friend in Texas. She introduced me to another Texan, noting that I was from "up north". He replied, "Like from around Dallas?"

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Jay:
anonymouser:
Interesting that nobody has pointed out that the US Military uses dd-mm-yy. They also use a 24 hour clock.
And FWIW, If some were to walk up and say "5th of July" or "July 5th", I'd probabaly be able to understand them either way.

I used to be a consultant to the US Air Force, and we regularly used dd-mmm-yy, e.g. 05-Jul-2011. This is more difficult to sort and to parse, but it does have the distinct advantage of being unambiguous in the face of competing formats. That is, if you see 05-07-2011 does that mean 5th of July or May 7th? But 05-Jul-2011 is pretty obvious.

That might be a NATO standard. It's definitely used in all the US services.

And you can actually get a 24-hour, analog clock. They're really hard to tell time with, which is probably why the Army loves them.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Nice try, except that that date format was around hundreds of years before the EU.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

F:
Cujo DeSockpuppet:
Come on, we all know the only real date format worth using is YYDDD. It saves a lot of space on my punch cards.

And just what is wrong with paper tape?

Yeah, these new kids are all using flash drives, and before you know it, nobody knows how to read paper tape any more. What are they going to do when the flash drive fails and there's nothing available but paper tape? Then what, huh?

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Wrong. My Chinese colleagues (sitting in Shanghai) write mm/dd/yyyy. And I am European, so it's not because they are trying to be compatible with me.

skington · 2011-07-05 Reply Admin

HP PhaserJet:
Anonymous non Coward:
[...] Medium Indian is roughly use , in ... The USA only.
So that's about the same as with USI.

What's "Medium Indian"?

Probably something like a Chicken Tikka Masala, maybe a Jalfrezi. Spicier than a Korma, but not in Vindaloo territory.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

"letting users run as Administrator"

I liked the similar comment from the Microsoft MVP in that linked-to article "should prevent unauthorized users".

A TWTF is so much software that still wants users to run as administrator. The Microsoft taskbar date display comes directly to mind.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
Probably more accurately gramatically: Le vrai qu'est-ce que tu fous." Any native francophones care to help out?

My usual quip when I see really ugly code is « mais qu'est-ce que c'est que cette merde ? ! » (with a correspondingly disgusted look on my face). In writing, though, I'll usually resort to WTF, as it's obviously more “in” to write in english, not to mention it's only three keystrokes :-)

anonymouser:
Interesting that nobody has pointed out that the US Military uses dd-mm-yy. They also use a 24 hour clock.

I remember once reading a C++ manual where the author listed methods to convert to “military time”. I couldn't make heads or tails of it, until I learned that the US does nothing like everyone else, and its denizens are somewhat insensitive to that fact (obviously, the army here uses the same 24h clock as the civilians).

zunesis:
If you don't want to do business with the U.S., you don't have to.

Well, when my boss tells me to write code for an US-affiliated enterprise, I haven't got much of a choice, unless I win the lottery and can ditch my job. Anyway, I want to do business with everyone, but standards are still good: They help remove barriers to market, enhance competition, and reduce development and other expenses for everyone (including American businesses who have to interact with foreign partners).

Cheese-eating surrender monkey:
Unless you plan to write in French, AZERTY is useless.

Agreed, especially for coders (accolades, brackets, and lots of other stuff is available only through Alt) or system administrators (guess what? The various BIOSes, bootloaders, and even a Linux box booted with init=/bin/sh all talk QWERTY). The best keyboard would be a US QWERTY (for compatibility) with additional glyphs tacked on. I'd like to find a Canadian unified keyboard (like this one), but I haven't found any vendor in France for the moment :-(

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Mason Wheeler:
ShatteredArm:
Dates (and everything else) should be in order from most general to least.

So do you find the way the US (and pretty much the entire rest of the world, for that matter) does mailing addresses to be objectionable?

Within China, addresses are big-endian (e.g., province city district street number).

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Duh! Just run the reports on Jan 1, Feb 2, March 3, etc.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

paul:
We also put our adjectives before the nouns.

We may put our adjectives before the nouns, but we put longer descriptive phrases/clauses after the nouns. And sometimes we even put the adjectives after the nouns.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Of course, you're not in charge of software used in Europe. At least, I hope you're not...

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

mh:
Wrong. My Chinese colleagues (sitting in Shanghai) write mm/dd/yyyy.

Chinese is big-endian, so mm/dd (or mm.dd or mm月dd日) makes sense. When I was there, years usually preceded, either yyyy.mm.dd or yyyy年mm月dd日.

But I also noticed that most Chinese preferred US English, so a preference for mm/dd/yyyy has a rational explanation.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

The Real WTF is the fact the developers didn't switch to French OS / Language / Keyboards when regressing, when it initially came back clean.

Reminds me of a web problem that only happened in China. After installing VirtualBox, a Win XP Chinese version and running the test we noticed that IE installs with different security settings in different parts of the world.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

For all you who claim the US is 'out of step with the rest of the world', do you put the day first or the year first? That might make a difference.

Of course, people who use weakly typed languages, and who trust string conversions to pass numeric values, just beg to be hit by these kinds of bugs. And note these are problems with scalars, so a language with strongly typed objects, but weekly typed scalars, is no hope here (or for any other common situation where you try to add 'count of apples' to 'count of oranges.')

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

No, I say 5 July 2011. No need for ordinals. (Yes, I am an US-ian)

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

"Yes, I am an US-ian"

Since you are unable to use the correct demonym for a citizen of the US, who really cares that you have your own special way(within the context of your countrymen) to say the date.

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

Bort:
It's because when you say the date out loud, you don't say "5th July." You say "July 5th."

But you say "the 4th of July" (or at least the New York Times does), and we do actually say things like "the 5th of July Two Thousand and Eleven" here in the civilised world ;o)

2011-07-05 Reply Admin

TRWTF is running the report generation software with admin rights.

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