• (cs) in reply to tamas szilassi
    tamas szilassi:
    am I the only one who assumes the goat photo was maybe not sent by jane herself, but by a worm. maybe designed to crash/exploit the mailing service?

    Possibly. In addition, I have failed to come up with a witty way to suggest that "two goats coupled" may have been Alexese for "goatse"

  • Forumtroll (unregistered) in reply to Zolcos
    Zolcos:
    tamas szilassi:
    am I the only one who assumes the goat photo was maybe not sent by jane herself, but by a worm. maybe designed to crash/exploit the mailing service?

    Possibly. In addition, I have failed to come up with a witty way to suggest that "two goats coupled" may have been Alexese for "goatse"

    uh-oh. You had to go there, you fuckin' had to go there!

  • is0lated (unregistered) in reply to VRAndy
    VRAndy:
    fluffy777:
    Why won't my keyboard work?
    Haha! This joke was ruined by highlighting it on the article page.

    It's a Heisenberg joke.

    Wouldn't it be a Schrödinger joke? By highlighting the joke on the article page you've collapsed the wave into a less funny joke.
  • (cs) in reply to Rhywden
    Rhywden:
    Hans:
    Am i the only person who has a problem with an admin snooping around in user email? I work as an administrator myself and i would never do that both for legal reasons and out of professional integrity.

    The admin saw that the archiving was stopping at a specific mail. He could just have moved that mail away without looking into it. Or he could talk to the user first to get permission.

    Yes, i am aware that in many jurisdictions around the world it is perfectly ok for an admin to do that. I still despise it.

    First: It's not a personal account, it's a COMPANY account. Second: In order to fix the problem, you have to understand the problem. In order to understand the problem, you have to examine the problem... see where that's leading?

    Not only that but as a former administrator I can tell you that I don't care what the users are doing as long as they don't cause me any problems.

    I have met people that weren't comfortable with someone having access to their files though. Once we had to migrate a userbase from an old server we were retiring to a new one. In order to let the users keep their existing passwords, we actually had to ask for the passwords, since we didn't keep a record of them. There was one guy that was VERY hesitant to give us his password, because he didn't want us to have access to his files. I had to remind him that as an admin I had access to EVERYTHING to get him to give it up.

  • (cs) in reply to is0lated
    is0lated:
    VRAndy:
    fluffy777:
    Why won't my keyboard work?
    Haha! This joke was ruined by highlighting it on the article page.

    It's a Heisenberg joke.

    Wouldn't it be a Schrödinger joke? By highlighting the joke on the article page you've collapsed the wave into a less funny joke.
    i'm not sure. (*that* was a heisenberg joke)
  • (cs) in reply to is0lated
    is0lated:
    VRAndy:
    fluffy777:
    Why won't my keyboard work?
    Haha! This joke was ruined by highlighting it on the article page.

    It's a Heisenberg joke.

    Wouldn't it be a Schrödinger joke? By highlighting the joke on the article page you've collapsed the wave into a less funny joke.

    A jokes funnyness and enlightment capabilities can not be known simultanously. By highlighting the funnyness you reduce the precision of the enlightment which reduces the hightli.. umm.. It might be a Schröderberg joke.

  • European (unregistered)

    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

  • Skilldrick (unregistered) in reply to VRAndy
    VRAndy:
    fluffy777:
    Why won't my keyboard work?
    Haha! This joke was ruined by highlighting it on the article page.

    It's a Heisenberg joke.

    It's a Heisenjoke - one that's not funny when you have to explain or highlight it.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to European
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    You're just straight in thinking about goat sex, aren't you? Maybe they were tightly coupled at the neck by a piece of rope. Maybe they were just having a little goat hug. But no, you have bring everything back round to goat sex. This is like Thailand all over again.
  • (cs) in reply to karo
    karo:
    This is why it's better to call users with root access, "super users".

    "Do you have super powers? No? Then you're not super and cannot have root access on your computer, sorry.

    So, in order to use the printer, you must be wearing tights and a cape, and be able to fly?

    The system requirements that suppliers come up with these days...

  • clive (unregistered) in reply to DOA
    I have met people that weren't comfortable with someone having access to their files though. Once we had to migrate a userbase from an old server we were retiring to a new one. In order to let the users keep their existing passwords, we actually had to ask for the passwords, since we didn't keep a record of them. There was one guy that was VERY hesitant to give us his password, because he didn't want us to have access to his files. I had to remind him that as an admin I had access to EVERYTHING to get him to give it up.

    I'd not have given you my password either. If you really needed it, I'd have changed it to a temporary one and given you that. If I was in the position of needing to ask for people's passwords, I'd suggest they do that. But I'd try and avoid being in that position in the first place - eg why not just give the users new passwords on the new system and let them change them themselves? Slightly painful for them, but better than having all the password information for every user floating around somewhere.

    (ok, if the system has fixed passwords, this isn't a goer, but then security is knackered anyway)

  • Steve (unregistered) in reply to clive
    clive:
    I have met people that weren't comfortable with someone having access to their files though. Once we had to migrate a userbase from an old server we were retiring to a new one. In order to let the users keep their existing passwords, we actually had to ask for the passwords, since we didn't keep a record of them. There was one guy that was VERY hesitant to give us his password, because he didn't want us to have access to his files. I had to remind him that as an admin I had access to EVERYTHING to get him to give it up.

    I'd not have given you my password either. If you really needed it, I'd have changed it to a temporary one and given you that. If I was in the position of needing to ask for people's passwords, I'd suggest they do that. But I'd try and avoid being in that position in the first place - eg why not just give the users new passwords on the new system and let them change them themselves? Slightly painful for them, but better than having all the password information for every user floating around somewhere.

    (ok, if the system has fixed passwords, this isn't a goer, but then security is knackered anyway)

    It sounds like you use the same password for work as you do for personal. THAT is TRWTF. The password I use at work is for work only, I fully accept that fact that my network admin probably knows it (not sure if they use one-way password hashing so maybe he doesn't, but I still work on the assumption that he does).

    If your network admin asks for your password just give it to him because he's your network admin and he probably knows it already. He's just asking you to be polite and to save himself checking the records. And if your work password is the same as your internet banking password you deserve to have your accounts drained by a rogue admin.

  • (cs) in reply to danixdefcon5
    danixdefcon5:
    Printer Administrator:
    i'd have just clarified with either "Network Administrator" or "Computer Administrator" or something similar, if they continue to insist that's them: ok, i'm off for lunch, let me know when you've fixed it
    He did.

    No he didn't. The post which you quoted is saying that the real administrator should have told the dean/whatever that if he thought he was an administrator then he should fix the problem himself.

    I think that would have been awesome.

    DOA:
    ... I had to remind him that as an admin I had access to EVERYTHING to get him to give it up.

    we're all admins.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to European
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    That's so typically European. The little girl would need to be 21. Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 she'd have to make sure the machine gun was made and registered before 1986 AND get approval and pay a $200 transfer fee with the BATF. Hang grenades are illegal in the US. Neither are available at WalMart. I am not sure what constitutes a "sniper rifle" but you CAN buy a bolt action with a scope at WalMart (YMMV as to quality). She may still carry her lolly, and in Texas, well, if the guy deserved killing, she make walk.

    Bad bad -----> GUNS <-----, yes, europeans, >>>>> GUNS <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

  • European who LOVES American gun laws (unregistered) in reply to Dave
    Dave:
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    That's so typically European. The little girl would need to be 21. Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 she'd have to make sure the machine gun was made and registered before 1986 AND get approval and pay a $200 transfer fee with the BATF. Hang grenades are illegal in the US. Neither are available at WalMart. I am not sure what constitutes a "sniper rifle" but you CAN buy a bolt action with a scope at WalMart (YMMV as to quality). She may still carry her lolly, and in Texas, well, if the guy deserved killing, she make walk.

    Bad bad -----> GUNS <-----, yes, europeans, >>>>> GUNS <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    Besides which, school shootings are hilarious!! You sure as shit don't get that in Europe and I say for shame, there's nothing quite as exciting as a schoolkid going postal and blowing away all his classmates. That's some proper movie shit right there. I'm completely fine with American gun laws because I live in the UK so school shootings to me are just like watching a really good Japanese movie. Battle Royale IRL is just the coolest thing ever - as long as it's happening to your kids instead of mine. Long live American gun laws, short live American kids!
  • (cs) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    If your network admin asks for your password just give it to him because he's your network admin and he probably knows it already. He's just asking you to be polite and to save himself checking the records. And if your work password is the same as your internet banking password you deserve to have your accounts drained by a rogue admin.

    If your network admin needs your password, change jobs. There is no reason why anyone other than yourself should need to know your password.

  • Steve (unregistered) in reply to The Enterpriser
    The Enterpriser:
    Steve:
    If your network admin asks for your password just give it to him because he's your network admin and he probably knows it already. He's just asking you to be polite and to save himself checking the records. And if your work password is the same as your internet banking password you deserve to have your accounts drained by a rogue admin.

    If your network admin needs your password, change jobs. There is no reason why anyone other than yourself should need to know your password.

    Doesn't change the basic fact that you have zero privacy in a corporate environment - they own your computer, they own the domain that your computer is logging into, they own the disk space that you store your files on - so they pretty much own your entire user account. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying - one-way password hashing should ensure that even an admin can't see your password. But what difference does that make? Any admin can just reset yor password at any time. The simple rule is that if it's at work it ain't private and personally I extend this principle to passwords. No way I'd use any of my personal passwords at work.

  • (cs) in reply to European who LOVES American gun laws
    European who LOVES American gun laws:
    Dave:
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    That's so typically European. The little girl would need to be 21. Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 she'd have to make sure the machine gun was made and registered before 1986 AND get approval and pay a $200 transfer fee with the BATF. Hang grenades are illegal in the US. Neither are available at WalMart. I am not sure what constitutes a "sniper rifle" but you CAN buy a bolt action with a scope at WalMart (YMMV as to quality). She may still carry her lolly, and in Texas, well, if the guy deserved killing, she make walk.

    Bad bad -----> GUNS <-----, yes, europeans, >>>>> GUNS <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    Besides which, school shootings are hilarious!! You sure as shit don't get that in Europe and I say for shame, there's nothing quite as exciting as a schoolkid going postal and blowing away all his classmates. That's some proper movie shit right there. I'm completely fine with American gun laws because I live in the UK so school shootings to me are just like watching a really good Japanese movie. Battle Royale IRL is just the coolest thing ever - as long as it's happening to your kids instead of mine. Long live American gun laws, short live American kids!

    Two words for you: Hungerford Bird

    Or were those OK because they weren't at schools?

  • European who LOVES American gun laws (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf fool
    the real wtf fool:
    European who LOVES American gun laws:
    Dave:
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    That's so typically European. The little girl would need to be 21. Under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 she'd have to make sure the machine gun was made and registered before 1986 AND get approval and pay a $200 transfer fee with the BATF. Hang grenades are illegal in the US. Neither are available at WalMart. I am not sure what constitutes a "sniper rifle" but you CAN buy a bolt action with a scope at WalMart (YMMV as to quality). She may still carry her lolly, and in Texas, well, if the guy deserved killing, she make walk.

    Bad bad -----> GUNS <-----, yes, europeans, >>>>> GUNS <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    Besides which, school shootings are hilarious!! You sure as shit don't get that in Europe and I say for shame, there's nothing quite as exciting as a schoolkid going postal and blowing away all his classmates. That's some proper movie shit right there. I'm completely fine with American gun laws because I live in the UK so school shootings to me are just like watching a really good Japanese movie. Battle Royale IRL is just the coolest thing ever - as long as it's happening to your kids instead of mine. Long live American gun laws, short live American kids!

    Two words for you: Hungerford Bird

    Or were those OK because they weren't at schools?

    It's not about being "OK", it's about being exciting!! Those cases were just plain boring - honestly, if it's not a schoolkid doing the shooting I don't give a shit, you can see that in any crappy movie.

    You didn't even metion Dunblane, which did actually involve kids - but again, no child shooters, just some middle-aged psycho with a bunch of guns and a thing against pre-schoolers. BORING! Only Americans know how to pull of a proper school shooting and I love them for it.

  • noname (unregistered) in reply to white

    perhaps she ran out of white ink fnord.

  • Freddy (unregistered) in reply to European who LOVES American gun laws
    European who LOVES American gun laws:
    Dave:
    Bad bad -----> GUNS <-----, yes, europeans, >>>>> GUNS <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!
    Besides which, school shootings are hilarious!! You sure as shit don't get that in Europe and I say for shame, there's nothing quite as exciting as a schoolkid going postal and blowing away all his classmates. That's some proper movie shit right there. I'm completely fine with American gun laws because I live in the UK so school shootings to me are just like watching a really good Japanese movie. Battle Royale IRL is just the coolest thing ever - as long as it's happening to your kids instead of mine. Long live American gun laws, short live American kids!

    You're right - American kids should be more like Europeans, and spend their childhood having sex with goats instead...

  • Dustin (unregistered) in reply to European who LOVES American gun laws

    This attitude coming from someone in the UK shouldn't be surprising. They can't carry lock-knives for Christ's sake. God forbid you should ever face a ruthlessly oppressive government again. You'll be reduced to fighting with kitchen knives!

    Let's also remember that criminals don't tend to consult the law before committing crimes. It would be just as illegal (and horrific) for a child to murder his classmates with a knife or any other weapon.

    I also find it interesting that you take such great offense to the laws of a country you don't live in. Would you push your nanny state on us as well? We can take care of ourselves, thank you very much.

  • (cs) in reply to boog

    And I can't edit it to fix it... =(

  • drusi (unregistered) in reply to European
    European:
    TRWTF is saying "the goats were tighly coupled" instead of "the goats were copulating" or "the goats had sex".

    That's so typically american. Little girls with a lolly can buy machine guns, sniper rifles and fragmentation grenades at Wal-Mart or their school kiosk and kill strangers in texas without ever being arrested, but mentioning what was biologically given and what everybody does equals a scandal. Bad bad -----> SEX <-----, yes, americans, >>>>> SEX <<<<<. I KNOW you fear that word!

    TRWTF is equating humorous phrasing with censorship.
  • RBiter (unregistered) in reply to J-Y
    J-Y:
    No, she had typed in a mistake on the previous page and had set her font color to white to overtype.
    You're showing your age!
  • (cs) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    The Enterpriser:
    If your network admin needs your password, change jobs. There is no reason why anyone other than yourself should need to know your password.
    Doesn't change the basic fact that you have zero privacy in a corporate environment - they own your computer, they own the domain that your computer is logging into, they own the disk space that you store your files on - so they pretty much own your entire user account. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying - one-way password hashing should ensure that even an admin can't see your password. But what difference does that make? Any admin can just reset yor password at any time. The simple rule is that if it's at work it ain't private and personally I extend this principle to passwords. No way I'd use any of my personal passwords at work.

    No, you don't understand what I'm saying.

    I know full well that anything I store on a work pc is not private and anything I say on a work phone is not private and anything I send over a work network is not private etc. I have never stated anywhere that I think otherwise.

    All I am saying is that there should not be any need for IT admins to need your actual password in order to do these things. They should have elevated priviledges such that they can use their own (or shared) account for this.

  • European who LOVES American gun laws (unregistered) in reply to Dustin
    Dustin:
    I also find it interesting that you take such great offense to the laws of a country you don't live in. Would you push your nanny state on us as well? We can take care of ourselves, thank you very much.
    Umm, take offense? Can't you see I'm praising your gun laws, I think they're hysterical! And no, I wouldn't push our nanny state onto anyone - I'm not that much of a bastard. Honestly, it may sound like I'm being facetious but I truly get a kick out of seeing what you nutters are shooting up this week. Over here, school shootings are this bizarre thing that could never, ever happen - yet in America you guys actually need metal detectors in schools just to curb the problem. I find it truly fascinating.
  • Steve (unregistered) in reply to The Enterpriser
    The Enterpriser:
    Steve:
    The Enterpriser:
    If your network admin needs your password, change jobs. There is no reason why anyone other than yourself should need to know your password.
    Doesn't change the basic fact that you have zero privacy in a corporate environment - they own your computer, they own the domain that your computer is logging into, they own the disk space that you store your files on - so they pretty much own your entire user account. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying - one-way password hashing should ensure that even an admin can't see your password. But what difference does that make? Any admin can just reset yor password at any time. The simple rule is that if it's at work it ain't private and personally I extend this principle to passwords. No way I'd use any of my personal passwords at work.

    No, you don't understand what I'm saying.

    I know full well that anything I store on a work pc is not private and anything I say on a work phone is not private and anything I send over a work network is not private etc. I have never stated anywhere that I think otherwise.

    All I am saying is that there should not be any need for IT admins to need your actual password in order to do these things. They should have elevated priviledges such that they can use their own (or shared) account for this.

    OK, I'm in full agreement with you on that.

  • (cs) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    The Enterpriser:
    Steve:
    The Enterpriser:
    If your network admin needs your password, change jobs. There is no reason why anyone other than yourself should need to know your password.
    Doesn't change the basic fact that you have zero privacy in a corporate environment - they own your computer, they own the domain that your computer is logging into, they own the disk space that you store your files on - so they pretty much own your entire user account. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying - one-way password hashing should ensure that even an admin can't see your password. But what difference does that make? Any admin can just reset yor password at any time. The simple rule is that if it's at work it ain't private and personally I extend this principle to passwords. No way I'd use any of my personal passwords at work.

    No, you don't understand what I'm saying.

    I know full well that anything I store on a work pc is not private and anything I say on a work phone is not private and anything I send over a work network is not private etc. I have never stated anywhere that I think otherwise.

    All I am saying is that there should not be any need for IT admins to need your actual password in order to do these things. They should have elevated priviledges such that they can use their own (or shared) account for this.

    OK, I'm in full agreement with you on that.
    awww, you guys... :'-) when i am done fainting, i think we need a group hug

  • (cs) in reply to Dustin
    Dustin:
    This attitude coming from someone in the UK shouldn't be surprising. They can't carry lock-knives for Christ's sake. God forbid you should ever face a ruthlessly oppressive government again. You'll be reduced to fighting with kitchen knives!
    1. If people are fighting against the government, do you really think they are going to worry about what weapons are allowed or not?

    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

  • (cs) in reply to BentFranklin
    BentFranklin:
    I told someone at work she committed a fallacy and I was reprimanded for sexual harassment.

    Don't tell her that she's a niggard.

  • Matt Westwood (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf fool
    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    Role-playing games? Huh? Howzat work?

  • delenit (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf fool
    the real wtf fool:
    Dustin:
    This attitude coming from someone in the UK shouldn't be surprising. They can't carry lock-knives for Christ's sake. God forbid you should ever face a ruthlessly oppressive government again. You'll be reduced to fighting with kitchen knives!
    1. If people are fighting against the government, do you really think they are going to worry about what weapons are allowed or not?

    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    I don't understand. How are Role Playing Games going to help fight against the government?

  • vereor (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    Role-playing games? Huh? Howzat work?

    (Ручной, Ruchnoy [Hand-held] Противотанковый, Protivotankovyy [Anti-Tank] Гранатомёт, Granatomyot [Grenade Launcher])

    An RPG is a Russian Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher.

  • Ozz (unregistered) in reply to European who LOVES American gun laws
    European who LOVES American gun laws:
    Besides which, school shootings are hilarious!! You sure as shit don't get that in Europe and I say for shame, there's nothing quite as exciting as a schoolkid going postal and blowing away all his classmates. That's some proper movie shit right there. I'm completely fine with American gun laws because I live in the UK so school shootings to me are just like watching a really good Japanese movie. Battle Royale IRL is just the coolest thing ever - as long as it's happening to your kids instead of mine. Long live American gun laws, short live American kids!
    I agree that American gun laws are bad. The laws should be abolished. As Heinlein said, an armed society is a polite society.
  • yername (unregistered) in reply to vereor
    vereor:
    Matt Westwood:
    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    Role-playing games? Huh? Howzat work?

    (Ручной, Ruchnoy [Hand-held] Противотанковый, Protivotankovyy [Anti-Tank] Гранатомёт, Granatomyot [Grenade Launcher])

    An RPG is a Russian Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher.

    Or you can stick to English, the language of choice here, and call it a rocket-propelled grenade. Not everything is a Russian acronym.

    Come to think of it, the only ones I can think of are KGB and FSB.

  • Dustin (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf fool
    the real wtf fool:
    Dustin:
    This attitude coming from someone in the UK shouldn't be surprising. They can't carry lock-knives for Christ's sake. God forbid you should ever face a ruthlessly oppressive government again. You'll be reduced to fighting with kitchen knives!
    1. If people are fighting against the government, do you really think they are going to worry about what weapons are allowed or not?

    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    • Primarily, this is about access. As guns remain legal, there are significant "small arms" arsenals in private hands already. If guns are completely illegal, then you're at a much greater disadvantage.

    • An assault rifle and a sniper rifle can do a lot of damage. Without any guns at all, you can't offer much resistance, but I do agree that RPGs and the like would be a wonderful compliment. Regardless, we've really got to define the scenario better before we can make these kinds of arguments. Remember, The American Revolutionary War was fought against an army much better equipped than ours.

    And tactical nukes? Are you serious? I have a hard time imagining a government using tactical nukes on its people and lands. They're particularly messy, what with the radiation and all, and we've got terminator style weapons running round these days, in the form of unmanned combat vehicles. These seem a lot more effective. It's a good thing we have such a strong hacker community here in the States. I imagine they'd be able to disable more than a few of these and put them under the control of the resistance.

    Aside from the tactical realities, the threat of any kind of serious resistance does a lot to keep government in check. Small arms give them at least something to worry about.

    Long live liberty!

  • methinks (unregistered)

    "who do you think works for the university!? Everyone who works here is an administrator and should have administrator rights!"

    That's why it is a really good thing the admin on *NIXes is called "root", so none of the typical "I-am-a-person-with-a-degree-so-make-it-work"-idiots will ever want to be one of those... ;o)

  • (cs) in reply to yername
    yername:
    vereor:
    Matt Westwood:
    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.

    Role-playing games? Huh? Howzat work?

    (Ручной, Ruchnoy [Hand-held] Противотанковый, Protivotankovyy [Anti-Tank] Гранатомёт, Granatomyot [Grenade Launcher])

    An RPG is a Russian Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher.

    Or you can stick to English, the language of choice here, and call it a rocket-propelled grenade. Not everything is a Russian acronym.

    Come to think of it, the only ones I can think of are KGB and FSB.

    SMERSH!
  • AVGUY (unregistered) in reply to Jeremy Friesner
    Jeremy Friesner:
    white:
    Or, what I've seen before, people thinking their desktop printer can print white onto colored stock.

    Sounds like a reasonable expectation to me... it says "color printer" on the box, and white is a color, is it not?

    I guess it's time for me to file a bug report at HP.com...

    Actually, white is the absence of color in print media. The ink absorbs all the whitish light from your fluorescents and reflects back only the color you see (more or less), i.e. Subtractive Color.

  • JimTheJam (unregistered) in reply to AVGUY

    That is why BLACK ink is really WHITE! It absorbs all the colors and reflects nothing, hence it is really white, so you see black.

    I think those selling ink should be sent to gaol for their misleading labeling. The colors they sell are not the color of the label. That's merely the color you see...

  • clive (unregistered) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    clive:

    I'd not have given you my password either. If you really needed it, I'd have changed it to a temporary one and given you that. If I was in the position of needing to ask for people's passwords, I'd suggest they do that. But I'd try and avoid being in that position in the first place - eg why not just give the users new passwords on the new system and let them change them themselves? Slightly painful for them, but better than having all the password information for every user floating around somewhere.

    (ok, if the system has fixed passwords, this isn't a goer, but then security is knackered anyway)

    It sounds like you use the same password for work as you do for personal.

    Um, no.

    If your network admin asks for your password just give it to him because he's your network admin and he probably knows it already. He's just asking you to be polite and to save himself checking the records. And if your work password is the same as your internet banking password you deserve to have your accounts drained by a rogue admin.

    There's one really good reason why companies have "Don't tell your passwords to anybody, not even if they're the system admins", and that's because many, many people have been duped into handing them over to people who weren't who they said they were.

    If your sysadmin is who they say they are, they can reset your password for themselves if they really need it. No need to open yourself up to one of the simplest hacks. It's not just your personal data you're protecting.

    And if you were that network admin working anywhere with an idea of security, and you tried asking for passwords, you wouldn't have a job for long.

  • oheso (unregistered) in reply to clive
    clive:
    If your sysadmin is who they say they are, they can reset your password for themselves if they really need it. No need to open yourself up to one of the simplest hacks. It's not just your personal data you're protecting.

    OK, from the sysadmin trenches here: you're right that under almost any circumstance I do not need the user's password, even to access the user's files. I can run updates, install software, perform back-ups, etc., using my privileges. The only time I need to be authenticated as the user is when I need to do something specifically in the user space, and I can do that by resetting the user's password. (Granted I could probably accomplish the same thing from root/administrator by modifying the appropriate files, but some things just save time.)

    So why do I have the user's password? For 90% of my users, they'd far rather have me know their password than they want to have to learn a new password whenever I fix their computer. When I do reset someone's password, I'm guaranteed to get at least three calls/complaints subsequently because they can't remember their new password.

    Meanwhile, I encourage users to change their passwords occasionally. I don't force it. (Tried that once -- was overwhelmed with the help requests.) If I'm aware of a potential security issue, I do force a password reset.

    YMMV. This works for me. I'm not claiming it's the right answer for everyone. (And our stuff is confidential but it's not that confidential.)

  • Val (unregistered)

    What I would have done so solve the administrator problem:

    • So, you are an administrator of the University... would you like to also be a computer administrator?

    • Yes, of course!

    • Good.

    I quickly start a command line interface, wait a few seconds of the dean looking at the black screen with some white text on it, then type a command that produces some long output:

    • Here you are, you're a computer administrator now, you can AHEM administer the inner workings of your and everyone else's computer.

    • Well this is not what I was thinking...

    • Good, now we understand each other!

  • Allan Olesen (unregistered) in reply to clive
    clive:
    There's one _really_ good reason why companies have "Don't tell your passwords to anybody, not even if they're the system admins", and that's because many, many people have been duped into handing them over to people who weren't who they said they were.
    The next time an admin ask for your password, respond: "Again??? I gave it to that IBM guy who called me yesterday. Why do you need it again already?"
  • anon print (unregistered) in reply to white

    we have several printers that can print white

  • NotGonna TellYa (unregistered) in reply to white

    Quote: "Perhaps she was using white on a color background or over an image?"

    Of course she was, genious ;)

    Quote: "Or, what I've seen before, people thinking their desktop printer can print white onto colored stock."

    LOL

  • NotGonna TellYa (unregistered) in reply to NotGonna TellYa

    Dumb me... Quoting the first post... How did I manage not to see that there are two pages of comments already?

    (I just saw the first two entries. Must be tired...)

  • Nick (unregistered) in reply to Hans
    Hans:
    Am i the only person who has a problem with an admin snooping around in user email? I work as an administrator myself and i would never do that both for legal reasons and out of professional integrity.

    The admin saw that the archiving was stopping at a specific mail. He could just have moved that mail away without looking into it. Or he could talk to the user first to get permission.

    Yes, i am aware that in many jurisdictions around the world it is perfectly ok for an admin to do that. I still despise it.

    As an admin myself I try very hard not to read user's email, or see the files on their computers, even if they are having a problem with email I make a conscious effort to not read the subject lines when helping them.

    But, as mentioned before, these are work machines, technically there should be no personal data on them. Of course this never happens and a certain amount of leniency is given, but often a line is drawn when personal data is stored on a server and as a result, backed up. Like the user at my workplace who had 20GB of MP3s in his user directory on the server. We could have just deleted them, but we warned him several weeks before, so he could put them somewhere else.

    As admins, we generally have the highest "security clearance" in the company, so that enables us to be able to view even confidential documents during the performance of our duties. So theoretically, there should be nothing on the servers or workstations that we are not permitted to see.

  • Nick (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf fool
    the real wtf fool:
    2. Do you really think small arms are going to overthrow a government? Against tanks, helicopter gunships, jet fighters, heavy artillery, tactical nukes? At the very least you're going to need RPGs and the like.
    An RPG is classified as small arms. Small arms are anything that are usually transported and fired by a single soldier.

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