• NaN (unregistered)

    Ping! \006

  • (nodebb)

    The ! is the first printable, non-whitespace character in ASCII (which is what their database was using, because it was built before "support wide character sets" was a common desire).

    Even in wide character sets, almost all the ones we'd actually want to use, especially the UTFs and UCSes, this remains true.

    Unfortunately, this means that my micronation, which is simply spelled with the ASCII character 0x07 will never show up in their database. You might not think you're familiar with my country, but trust me- it'll ring a bell.

    But only if you print its name on a teletype such as an ASR-33, which actually had a physical bell to ring.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic

    Not yet true. "echo ^G" at a Windows command line will still cause the computer to announce the name of Remy's micronation, although not necessarily with the canonical pronunciation.

  • Pabs (unregistered) in reply to Paddles

    I have just been reminded from decades ago, doing:

    PRINT CHR$(7)

    on my BBC Micro and getting it to announce the name of Remy's micronation as well.

  • Tinkle (unregistered)

    Hmm, I am not sure BELgium is a micronation.

    If you want to hear it in notepad, hold Alt and type 007

  • (nodebb)

    Just how long have you been waiting for a chance to use that BEL joke, Remy?

  • (nodebb)

    I'll allow that your joke is amusing, Remy, but let's face it --- you're no Steve Hayman.

    https://home.nvg.org/~venaas/jargon/jargon_30.html#TAG1364

  • (nodebb) in reply to Tinkle

    What OS? Got nothing in the Windows 11 version. Something else Microsoft has taken away from us all?

  • (nodebb) in reply to dpm

    I'll allow that your joke is amusing, Remy, but let's face it --- you're no Steve Hayman.

    That ^^^ is being resourceful. I once had to do a ton of bare-metal restores (1998) from remote tape drives after a storm caused a few dozen up/down power cycles. The network core TFTP booted its config from a server that was dead, so no network. I made a crossover cable by cutting a normal CAT-5 (again, it was 1998) and reconnecting the wires, and insulating them with Scotch™ tape.

    Sometimes, ya just gotta do!

  • (nodebb)

    Remy proves 0x07 should really have been "Rimshot"

  • Emmayche (unregistered)

    Just thinking about your micro nation makes me drool…

  • Klimax (unregistered) in reply to TheGreatLobachevsky

    Nothing on Windows 10 either.

  • mihi (unregistered)

    The problem with UTF character sets and SQL is that database collations may not sort by codepoint. And SQL uses collations for almost every inequality comparison. Even doing a REGEXP_LIKE(somefield, '.[^!-~].') to find non-ascii values will not match 'Müll' unless you have set NLS_SORT=binary first.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Paddles

    Not yet true. "echo ^G" at a Windows command line will still cause the computer to announce the name of Remy's micronation, although not necessarily with the canonical pronunciation.

    Perhaps, perhaps not, but I'd say "not" because it doesn't ring any kind of bell. It's just an elaborate beep.

  • COBOL Dilettante (unregistered)

    Am I being thick? 0x07 < 0x21 i.e. the exclamation mark, so Remy's country would be returned, surely? It's proper countries like Sealand and Liberland that would be in trouble

  • BPFH (unregistered) in reply to Pabs

    I think you mean:

    10 PRINT CHR$(7) 20 GOTO 10

    Then it gets to say the name of Remy's micronation ALL DAY LONG. :)

  • MaxiTB (unregistered)

    For those wondering why they don't hear anything on Windows:

    Since Windows NT the ASCII BEL triggers a system notification amd depending on how you configured them on your system you will get a audio, visual, both or no indication.

    Now since Windows 10 MS has muted a lot of them by default because people complained about the notification flood happening with Win8, so that might be the reason why you don't get feedback when alerting (yes, I grew up with C).

  • MaryD (unregistered)

    I'm showing my age. I knew what 0x07 was without having to look it up. It's a character I could use when a friend is logged in to Discord or whatever but not paying attention. Unfortunately almost everything filters it out now.

  • Tinkle (unregistered) in reply to TheGreatLobachevsky

    Ah, I am stuck on Windows 10. I did notice on PCs that have windows 11 that Microsoft butchered Notepad.

  • MaxiTB (unregistered) in reply to Tinkle

    Just one lil hint most devs follow for decades: notepad++.

    Google it, download it, install it and you'll never look back :-)

  • (nodebb) in reply to MaxiTB

    Nope, even with Notepad++, Windows 11 won't play a sound when you type ALT+007. Instead it prints a little "BEL" character, in white text on a black background.

  • (nodebb) in reply to jkshapiro

    I was referring to the

    butchered Notepad part ;-)

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