• Prime Mover (unregistered)


  • (nodebb)

    Joe C's thing is similar to the main problem with Wikipedia. The problem with "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" is that quite frequently, anyone edits it.

  • Edd (unregistered)

    they even forgot to disable comments on the ad

  • Darren (unregistered)

    Can someone explain the Ebay one? Is it that Ebay itself has put the $18.25 in the counteroffer box and then complained that it's too low?

    A lot of these weekend ones would be helped immensely with just a hint towards what the actual WTF is - rather than leaving it to the reader to try and figure out what exactly we're supposed to be looking for.

  • iBoy (unregistered)

    Searching for [name] on Google an than clicking the first link instead of simply entering [name].com ist TRWTF.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Darren

    The WTF probably is that eBay still suggest offering $22.45 to convince a seller who is clearly willing to sell for $19.00

  • alexmagnus (unregistered)

    @Steve: Wikipedia has moderation though, and the edits are not visible for everyone until it gets verified by a mod.

    The problem is, of course, mods err too.

  • Naomi (unregistered) in reply to alexmagnus

    Wikipedia has moderation though, and the edits are not visible for everyone until it gets verified by a mod.

    This is not true. That's called "pending changes protection", and - like all protection levels - Wikipedia administrators only invoke it if there's a reason.

  • Naomi (unregistered)

    (Okay, I'll bite - how did clarifying a Wikipedia policy get held for moderation?)

  • (author) in reply to Naomi

    Naomi, posts with links are held for moderation because they are almost always spam.

  • (author) in reply to Darren

    Darren, bjolling has it. I think spotting the WTF is most of the fun for the reader, and explaining it to others is a little ego boost for a sharp commenter. But that's just me; if other commenters here weigh in with supporting opinions I will happily lower the hurdle.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Lyle Seaman

    I'll weigh in with a supporting opinion. It's okay to expect a little bit of effort for a strong payoff, but generally error'd's are pretty simple, so making it easy to find the issue helps makes the whole experience painless and enjoyable. Maybe just just point out where in the screenshot we should be looking.

  • Duston (unregistered)

    “Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process.” ― E.B. White

  • Angela Anuszewski (google) in reply to Naomi

    I'm a Pending Changes Reviewer, and it is really odd what pages wind up with it enabled. I'd say about a third are Biography of Living Persons issues, and another quarter are media franchise-related. But then you get oddball pages like Giant Squid and the letter R.

  • (nodebb)

    I still don't get the Reddit one. Is it that learning Java is a "horror"?

    At least the ad caption is two sentences, so I guess it fits the subreddit category.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Barry Margolin 0

    It's definitely that “Learning Java with JetBrains Academy” is the horror. It could be shortened to two word — “JetBrains Academy” and still retain that frisson of fear.

  • Naomi (unregistered) in reply to Barry Margolin 0

    I still don't get the Reddit one. Is it that learning Java is a "horror"?

    Got it in one! It's r/TwoSentenceHorror, and the ad has two sentences. The implication is that the ad server hates Java (or JetBrains).

    (I can't speak to the quality of JetBrains Academy, but their Java IDE is fantastic. Even right out of the box, IntelliJ's autocomplete and refactoring tools blow anything else I've ever worked with out of the water - and yes, I'm including Visual Studio in that. As for whether Java itself qualifies as a horror... I mean, it's my language of choice, and I think my reasons are sensible, but I'd actually love to have that discussion with someone from a different background.)

    (Partially because I have to work more in C# these days and I feel like I'm missing a lot, but still!)

  • Naomi (unregistered) in reply to Angela Anuszewski

    Hoh, this is interesting. :) For the giant squid, was it something like... people edit warring about the myths about it?

  • Quirkafleeg (unregistered)

    As someone who doesn't live in the "Beautiful Society" (the world prefixed by 'i'), I can confirm that being recommended to "delete icloud account" is not a WTF! The only negligible WTF is inability to capitalise 'cloud'...

  • Foo AKA Fooo (unregistered) in reply to Lyle Seaman

    Also, posts without links are sometimes held for moderation. I've never found any pattern which ones are, and of course, there's no feedback why they're held. I consider this random (just like many CAPTCHAs).

  • Shill (unregistered) in reply to iBoy

    Searching for [name] on Google an than clicking the first link instead of simply entering [name].com ist TRWTF.

    Sure, until you fat-finger your bank's website and land on an imposter site without realizing it.

  • Tim Lorentzov (unregistered)

    Those who have worked with Enterprise Java in any reasonable amount will certainly agree that it is a horror.

  • Foo AKA Fooo (unregistered) in reply to Shill

    Especially for banks and other high-risk sites it's good practice to type the link (or use your own bookmarks) than clicking on any link (even Google -- do you know exactly what influences their search results today?).

    Only problem with iBoy's advice, in the rest of the so-called world, not all domains are .com.

  • 516052 (unregistered)

    If you want my take on it I think that C# is essentially Java but done right. It follows the same basic paradigms but does so in a cleaner and more C++ like way which I prefer. I find the two to be mostly interchangeable in day to day work with the exception of one detail. And that’s the IDEs.

    If you will permit a rant on the side, I have yet to find an IDE for Java that fulfils the two basic minimum requirements any IDE should. Those being that it’s free and that it actually works.

    Every other language I used in my life either didn't have an IDE (for example assembly) or had an IDE that was free, easy to use and just worked without any configuration or input.

    Visual Studio is a good example of that. But it’s not the only one. C and C++ IDEs have been like that since the 90’s. And so have the various basic, pascal IDEs and even that hated piece of junk Lazarus for Delphi. In all of those the procedure is always the same. Download, run wizard, open project: work.


  • 516052 (unregistered)

    Why did my text become huge? That was not the intention. Anyway, to continue:

    Java IDE’s on the other hand just seems to really hate the user. It’s always

    1. Download
    2. Install
    3. Find out you need to manually hunt down dependencies and configure everything because obviously the setup won’t contain anything external.
    4. Do that, only to find out that of course the ID won’t work with them without extra configuration.
    5. Spend hours googling just how to configure everything.
    6. IDE works, now you can start your project.
    7. Realize you need to manually reconfigure everything for your project. Because of course starting say a JRE project does not mean that the IDE will automatically configure its dependencies to work with JRE. Nope.
    8. Manually configure everything again going through the frustrating hours of googling again.
    9. Download, install, configure and connect a build system like gradle. Because obviously you can’t just compile the code with something that is integrated into the IDE! God no! That would be insane.

    No matter that every single other IDE that isn’t for Java comes with the compiler built in. So by the time I am done configuring everything I could have already finished my job in C#.

  • 516052 (unregistered)

    Also, seriously, I did NOT make my text huge on purpose. If anyone can edit that out in some way I'd be grateful. [edit: done]

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