• (disco)

    Arrogant, dictatorial assholes will continue to be arrogant, dictatorial assholes. In other news, water will continue to be wet.

  • (disco)

    Stefen yelled as he snatched the pillow away and launched it out the door.

    Well, at that point, no one has the floor. Chase down the damn pillow and say your piece.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    > Stefen yelled as he snatched the pillow away and launched it out the door.

    Well, at that point, no one has the floor. Chase down the damn pillow and say your piece.

    No. You bring your own pillow. And you keep it in your back pocket alongside the GAU-8. That way, when Stefen happens to your meeting, you pull out your pillow, point it at Stefen, and pull the trigger...

    Problem solved.

  • (disco)
    1. Replicate the pillow.
    2. Fill it with lead shot.
    3. Produce said pillow at a time of your choosing.
    4. Whilst Stefen is slack jawed and stunned at the impossibility of it.
    5. Beat Stefen about the head with it until you achieve you goal of getting some respect, with purpose.

    Damnit :hanzo:

  • (disco) in reply to loose

    Yes I know there is a seven minute gap. But this is what happens when you try to work whilst contributing to TDWTF

  • (disco) in reply to loose

    I am sure you were just waiting for the talking pillow. ;)

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    Arrogant, dictatorial assholes will continue to be arrogant, dictatorial assholes. In other news, water will continue to be wet.

    Psychopaths will continue to try to get management jobs and succeed on ability to manipulate, Pope will continue to head Catholic Church.

    Actually, following such an exercise at one company I worked for, the consultants recommended a 180o assessment of the local management. It was duly carried out and a number of managers sidelined and replaced. Not all consultants are useless.

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Actually, following such an exercise at one company I worked for, the consultants recommended a 180o assessment of the local management. It was duly carried out and a number of managers sidelined and replaced. Not all consultants are useless.

    TRWTF is something happening like it should…

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Not all consultants are useless

    ...but some consultants are more useless than others.

    Sorry, but I was compelled to complete that for you.

    +1 Internets to whomsoever identifies the original quote

  • (disco)

    Logical flaw in Trent's parting words:

    I’m sure you’ve all seen the importance of RESPECTING each other’s PURPOSE to achieve GOALS, and you all have that in COMMON now.

    If the group has actually achieved a common purpose then there's no "other's purpose" requiring "respect", is there.

  • (disco) in reply to jkshapiro

    Nah!, I'll let @blakeyrat or a decent pedant pick this ball up. Besides, I still need to figure if 1% Poster is Good.

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    +1 Internets to whomsoever identifies the original quote

    all animals are equal but some are more equal than others. Fancy trying something a bit more obscure than Animal Farm?

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    +1 Internets to whomsoever identifies the original quote

    Look, everybody on the Internet reads Orwell. No points for anyone.

    And hanzo'd, of course.

  • (disco)

    @Jaloopa & @Maciejasjmj

    Hence the 1 Internet as I can't imagine anybody doing something for nothing around here :trollface:

    Otherwise, elsewhere and elsewhen in this Forum, I have acknowledged that I have not yet found a level of subtlety that complies with the Pareto's Principle suitable for this Community. :stuck_out_tongue:

  • (disco)

    I would have packed my things (and the pillow) and look for greener pastures.

  • (disco)

    This reminds me of some old bosses and our ISO 9000 certification. The company certified ISO to make ibm happy (we manufactured for them) but the bosses ignored it after swearing they would follow all the rules.

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    1. Replicate the pillow. 2. Fill it with lead shot. 3. Produce said pillow at a time of your choosing. 4. Whilst Stefen is slack jawed and stunned at the impossibility of it. 5. Beat Stefen about the head with it until you achieve you goal of getting some respect, with purpose.

    Damnit :hanzo:

    Yeah, but at least your scenario is plausible.

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Not all consultants are useless.

    One such consultant took a standard personality assessment1, attached cute, memorable names to the traits, and used those to describe how best to communicate with people of each personality type. For example, high D people generally want to get straight to the point — here's the problem; here's the proposed solution — not too much detail (if they need more information, allow them to ask for it), and no chit-chat until after the business is done. OTOH, the high I (I think — I remember the cute names, but not necessarily which letter goes with it) person wants to build a relationship first; this is the stereotypical salesman who remembers your kids' names and your spouse's birthday2.

    This was actually quite useful. These people trying to talk to each other will clearly tend to annoy each other; the get-to-the-point person will seem gruff, even rude, the relationship-builder, who will seem chatty and useless to the other. However, if they both understand their communication styles, they can adjust their styles to accommodate, or at least not be offended, by the other.    

    1The validity of this assessment is debated, but his use of it fits smack in the middle of the second paragraph of the "Use" section of the Wikipedia article: "The best use of DISC is to learn more about yourself, others and how to deal in situations where interpersonal relationships are involved."

    2For completeness, the other communication styles are as follows: High S people value stability and want assurance that their concerns will be addressed. High C (I think) people are opposite high D in that they want all the details up front (sometimes to the point of analysis paralysis — that's me). Most people exhibit a blend of these traits to varying degrees.

  • (disco) in reply to Camelotbob
    Camelotbob:
    ISO 9000 certification

    Never had to get involved with this, but all accounts of those I know who did, said you only need to document your procedures to qualify, doesn't care what those procedures are. But I could be wrong.

  • (disco) in reply to jkshapiro
    jkshapiro:
    Logical flaw in Trent's parting words: > I’m sure you’ve all seen the importance of RESPECTING each other’s PURPOSE to achieve GOALS, and you all have that in COMMON now.

    If the group has actually achieved a common purpose then there's no "other's purpose" requiring "respect", is there.

    Two problems with your "logic":

    1. Trent's parting words said nothing about a common purpose.
    2. The training was about how to have effective meetings. Each meeting was to focus on a COMMON PURPOSE, those in attendance were to show COMMON RESPECT, and they were to leave with COMMON GOALS. The training had no influence on their purposes outside the meeting.

    In short: The logical flaw is yours.

  • (disco) in reply to Maciejasjmj
    Maciejasjmj:
    everybody on the Internet reads Orwell

    But no one learns from it.

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    you only need to document your procedures to qualify

    That's true, except that you have to document to the point where an auditor is happy with them. Some auditors are pendantic douchbags from hell.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    pendantic douchbags

    Thanks. I now have a visual image I'd rather not have.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    For completeness, the other communication styles are as follows: High S people value stability and want assurance that their concerns will be addressed. High C (I think) people are opposite high D in that they want all the details up front (sometimes to the point of analysis paralysis — that's me).

    But see, that picture is incomplete. There's also:

    • High M people, whose preferred style of communication is to yell at and beat people until they do what you tell them.
    • High P people, whose preferred style of communication is to say whatever gains them the most political power, regardless of usefulness.
    • High people, who just want to get some more Cheetos, man.
  • (disco) in reply to EatenByAGrue
    EatenByAGrue:
    - High people, who just want to get some more Cheetos, man.

    please. don't insult them. Doritos are the clearly superior snack.

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Pope will continue to head Catholic Church.
    Read about sedevacantists some time. They claim that for some time (Vatican II is often mentioned) there hasn't been a legitimate Pope. (Name from a Latin construction for "empty seat".)
  • (disco) in reply to accalia

    Pretty much anything ending in "os" is good in my book.

  • (disco) in reply to FullPointerException
    FullPointerException:
    Pretty much anything ending in "os" is good in my book.
    Asbestos? Mosquitos?

    And if one of them is putting moves on your daughter, Lotharios might not be so good.

  • (disco) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic
    Steve_The_Cynic:
    Asbestos
    [image]
  • (disco) in reply to EatenByAGrue
    EatenByAGrue:
    High people, who just want to get some more Cheetos, man.

    Hold on. Are we talking crunchy or puffy? If we're talking crunchy, you can just throw those things away.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    Pepsi and puffy cheetos?

    https://armedrobbery.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/true_grit.jpg

  • (disco) in reply to ijij
    ijij:
    Pepsi ***and*** puffy cheetos?

    That's right.

    http://www.cinema10.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/clint-eastwood-poncho-300x281.jpg

  • (disco)
  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    Never had to get involved with this, but all accounts of those I know who did, said you only need to document your procedures to qualify, doesn't care what those procedures are. But I could be wrong.

    I'm guessing you were US- or China based where it's a joke. In Europe proper certification bodies come round and check up on you periodically. And if you are making safety products, you can lose your approval, have product withdrawals and enter a whole big mess. TuV and BSi Kitemark used to be the gold standard for certification, but I believe TuV started subcontracting to the Far East and went downhill somewhat. German readers may differ.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    There is iron in your words of death for all TDWTF to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of IJIJ carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of crunchy... or puffy.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e5/9e/76/e59e761e4d8f350a3512bd677edb0fd9.jpg

  • (disco) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic
    Steve_The_Cynic:
    Read about sedevacantists some time. They claim that for some time (Vatican II is often mentioned) there hasn't been a legitimate Pope. (Name from a Latin construction for "empty seat".)

    That's OK, at one time there were three of them so a period of apapacy is needed to catch up the 1:1 pope-duration relationship. Seriously, though, these people need to consider what happens if you ask the average person in the (Western) Street "Who is the Pope?". Hint: almost none of them are going to say "Well, since the antiPope John XXII called Vatican II and claimed that God didn't write the Bible in Latin, there hasn't been one."

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Steve_The_Cynic:
    Read about sedevacantists some time. They claim that for some time (Vatican II is often mentioned) there hasn't been a legitimate Pope. (Name from a Latin construction for "empty seat".)

    That's OK, at one time there were three of them so a period of apapacy is needed to catch up the 1:1 pope-duration relationship. Seriously, though, these people need to consider what happens if you ask the average person in the (Western) Street "Who is the Pope?". Hint: almost none of them are going to say "Well, since the antiPope John XXII called Vatican II and claimed that God didn't write the Bible in Latin, there hasn't been one."

    Must … resist … urge … to … comment.

    Don't … need … another … religion … flamewar.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    I thought we'd long settled the religion flamewar? While vim is obviously better than emacs, the few remaining faithful of either are united in their despise for the heretics who use visual studio, eclipse, and similar abominations.

  • (disco) in reply to PleegWat
    PleegWat:
    I thought we'd long settled the religion flamewar? While vim is obviously better than emacs, the few remaining faithful of either are united in their despise for the heretics who use visual studio, eclipse, and similar abominations.

    What did you call my VS?

    Damn pagan.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    What did you call my VS?

    Damn pagan.

    He didn't call your VS anything. He called you a heretic.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    abarker:
    What did you call my VS?

    Damn pagan.

    He didn't call your VS anything. He called you a heretic.

    You need to work on your reading comprehension:

    PleegWat:
    visual studio, eclipse, and similar abominations.

    That phrase calls VS an abomination.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    Ok, I overlooked that. But he did call you a heretic.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    Ok, I overlooked that. But he *did* call you a heretic.

    Just because I didn't comment on that doesn't mean I didn't notice.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    VS. Is that an MS Product?

    I use netbeans

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    VS. Is that an MS Product?

    Yes. VS is the Microsoft IDE for the .NET Framework.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    My apologies, you are working under a considerable constraint. :)

    abarker:
    Microsoft IDE for the .NET Framework.
  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    I use netbeans
    [image]
  • (disco) in reply to Bort

    This is good, yes?

  • (disco) in reply to loose
    loose:
    I use netbeans

    I'm pretty sure that goes under "Similar abominations"

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    VS is the Microsoft IDE for the .NET Framework.

    Brought to you by a win32 C++ user

Leave a comment on “Uncommon Respect”

Log In or post as a guest

Replying to comment #:

Log Out

« Return to Article