• Paul A. Bean (unregistered) in reply to akatherder
    akatherder:
    Paul A. Bean:
    akatherder:
    That's just scary. During the interview, it's fair to ask if anything is expected of you outside normal business hours. However, you won't get an honest answer to that question, especially from the people who have the most to hide.

    Not a big problem, unless you left a good position to end up in a hellhole like this.

    It isn't fair to ask a question you know you won't get an honest answer to. "Fair" would be to state your exact feelings about out-of-hours availability, and request that they take that into consideration before making you an offer. Fairness and a hard close into the bargain. Win!

    Right, because they are legally bound to everything they tell you in the interview. That's so cute :P

    No, they're not. That's why I didn't say "ask them if it's a problem, in the interview". It just means that should they offer you a job, and then moan that you're not doing enough out-of-hours work, you've got some semblance of a comeback.

  • John C. Random (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number. If they need to contact me then they can buy me a company mobile but I will still insist on turning it off as soon as I leave work for the day. If it is outside of working hours then I couldn't care less about their problems.
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. Likewise, I expect my employer to understand that if there is a family emergency, I'm gone. Professional courtesy goes both ways.
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.

    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.

  • (cs) in reply to Shon
    Shon:
    This story sounds terribly familiar.

    I worked at a company once and build a certain web app. Because it was only temporary I informed my replacement of all the things to do and all the ins and outs of the app. I even made him take notes for step-by-step instructions on how to put it in production. Just in case he had any questions or problems I gave him my number so he could call me.

    About a week later I got a call: how to fix a certain issue... for a totally different web app. Granted, I worked with that other app, but not anymore. It is supposed to be his job. Couple of days later I get another call: how to add a certain feature... which I already explained to him step by step and made him write down. I left there 2 months ago, yet he still calls once every week. If I don't respond, every day after that.

    I pretty much still work there, but am not getting paid.

    That's when you contact your old boss and inform him that your replacement is doing this. You then say you'd be willing to continue doing this for $X/hour. Either you end up getting paid for it, or the idiot who replaced you gets shitcanned.

  • John (unregistered) in reply to Shon

    re: I pretty much still work there, but am not getting paid.

    Umm. It's called call display. Don't pick it up if the d-bag calls.

  • morry (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi

    I hate to perpetuate memes, but THIS.

    I had a ex-collegue that did the same thing. After about 3 phone calls I half-jokingly asked him what the project number was and who the PM was, so I could bill the company for my time. The phone calls stopped after that.

    You can deal directly with your replacement and let him know it's no longer appropriate, or, if you're really pissed, go back to his boss. But don't let him walk all over you anymore.

  • Steve-O (unregistered)

    My current boss was like that when I started working here (more the stopping by the office than the texting, but there were a number of after-hours calls). I told him that I work faster when I'm left alone for long periods of time, and said "no seriously, leave me alone". He did.

    See how complicated that is? I don't get how most people just don't speak their mind about things.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to John C. Random
    John C. Random:
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number. If they need to contact me then they can buy me a company mobile but I will still insist on turning it off as soon as I leave work for the day. If it is outside of working hours then I couldn't care less about their problems.
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. Likewise, I expect my employer to understand that if there is a family emergency, I'm gone. Professional courtesy goes both ways.
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.

    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.

    Nobody wants me around at any point in time but like I explained, they need me more than I need them so they just have to put up with me. I'm not trying to tell you that I'm not an asshole because I really am. I'm sure they hate me but that is their perogative as long as they keep paying me (which they will, poor bastards).

  • sadwings (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous

    Assholes are bearable, Prima Donnas are intolerable...

    You're just a Prima Donna, get over yourself.

  • (cs)

    I agree with the "professional courtesy goes both ways" statement, despite the opinionated ramblings of some previous posters.

    I have my home number, cell number, and personal email address written in the top corner of the whiteboard in my office, specifically so that if there is ever TRULY an emergency, people know how to reach me. Thus far it has never happened.

  • Bart (unregistered)

    Please do not run. Come back and we will have cake.

  • Charlie (unregistered) in reply to Sounds Familiar
    Sounds Familiar:
    Beneath the slick exterior sales website was a big pile of badly mangled crazy.
    I find a fairly reliable correlation... the slicker the marketing crap (especially the website) the less real knowledge exists anywhere in the company.

    {post attempt 2... 3...}

  • (cs)

    I was perfectly content to provide any aid necessary at my current place of employment. I worked a couple 4:30 am to 1:30 pm shifts so that I could migrate changes to some of our more important web apps while no one was in using them. Then, one day, I got pulled aside and told that, even though I had come in at 4:30 am and had put in a full 8 hours, I would have to take 2.5 hours of vacation time in order to work that shift. This was due to the fact that I was leaving before my scheduled 4:00 pm end time.

    Since then? The apps have gone down during the day when I need to do a maintenance release. They pull stupid stunts on me? I don't help them out as much as I used to...

  • (cs) in reply to John
    John:
    re: I pretty much still work there, but am not getting paid.

    Umm. It's called call display. Don't pick it up if the d-bag calls.

    Or, grow some balls and just tell the guy not to call you with his problems anymore, since he's gotten more than enough help already and you don't work for free.

  • AdT (unregistered) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    It's a river.

    I love Uranus. It's a planet, I swear!

  • Des (unregistered)

    Last thing I remember I was running for the door I had to find the passage back To the place I was before

    Good night, said the night-man We are programmed to receive You can checkout any time you like But you can never leave

  • Blue Collar (unregistered) in reply to onk
    onk:
    what are you dooooing?

    Maybe that boss is Canadian?

    Hey, I take offence to that eh!? Its aboot time you learned the truth aboot canadians EH!

    ObiWayneKenobi:
    A lot of startups seem to have this "I need to get a hold of you at any time" mentality. Guy I currently work for calls me at odd times during the day (7am call, etc) and expects me to be around at all times, working during the day AND be up from 10pm onward to communicate with the Indian team he's outsourcing all the programming to. I get to work from home so that's kinda good, but it's not worth the hassle.

    People like this should be run out of business.

    Outsourcing software development to india... I have heard thats a good way to get "Run out of business"

  • emh (unregistered) in reply to Blue Collar

    [quote user="Blue Collar"][quote user="onk"]

    what are you dooooing?

    Maybe that boss is Canadian?[/quote]

    Hey, I take offence to that eh!? Its aboot time you learned the truth aboot canadians EH!

    I think that's a reference to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DkIk2NKEHs

  • Bubba (unregistered)

    John's obituary will read - "Victim of a senseless office shooting"

    The police will never be able to figure out why there are multiple caliber wounds, with some inflicted post mortem.

    Captcha - illum - a Beastie Boy singular?

  • (cs) in reply to Blue Collar
    Blue Collar:
    Outsourcing software development to india... I have heard thats a good way to get "Run out of business"

    I effing hope so. Seriously this guy's entire business model for his five or six different businesses that he has going on the same time is this:

    1. Get a couple of people who like your "great idea"
    2. Outsource all the real work to India because it's cheaper.
    3. Demand that three-week long releases be condensed to weekly iterations because "the business requires it"
    4. Sell, sell, sell your idea to everyone as being an amazing thing that's going to change the world
    5. Never plan on expanding beyond your 5-6 people, excluding outsourced programmers and marketing firms
    6. Profit!
  • (cs) in reply to Spoe

    Sounds like the boss has Tourette's, ADHD, or possibly severe AS. Yes, you can have Tourette's without swearing every 5 seconds.

    Spoe:
    And he ran. He ran so far away. He just ran. He ran all night and day. He couldn't get away.
    Just what I was thinking.
  • (cs) in reply to Bart
    Bart:
    Please do not run. Come back and we will have cake.
    The cake is a lie!
  • Bubba (unregistered)

    It puts the lotion on its skin

  • Complete Moron (unregistered) in reply to Charlie
    Charlie:
    Sounds Familiar:
    Beneath the slick exterior sales website was a big pile of badly mangled crazy.
    I find a fairly reliable correlation... the slicker the marketing crap (especially the website) the less real knowledge exists anywhere in the company.

    {post attempt 2... 3...}

    +1. Snake oil has to have really great marketing, otherwise, what is it?

  • Miguel (unregistered)

    I'm a bit sick of hearing about the experiences of people in their first job.

    Maybe the IT industry should get rid of the concept of 'first job'.

    I've rarely heard a story (on here) about someone who had such trouble in their second or third job, so maybe Grads should be taught to skip the first job and settle straight into the second.

  • aptent (unregistered) in reply to Anonymously Yours
    Anonymously Yours:
    Were I in his position, I would probably have changed my text message alert noise to a rotation of quotes from the turrets in Portal.
    Delicious!!
  • (cs)

    Re: running away, a former employer had an accountant who left during lunch and didn't come back. Left half-finished papers on the desk.

    The company owner ran into the accountant at some restaurant several months later. Awkward.

    Re: cell phone calls, I told my previous employer when I left that I'd help out with things for a little while. Six months later I was still getting calls, so finally I just told him I'd have to bill for any further consulting. Haven't gotten a call since.

  • JohnB (unregistered) in reply to John C. Random
    John C. Random:
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number.<snip>
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. <snip>
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. <snip>
    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.
    You say that as if it's a bad thing.
  • Charlie (unregistered)

    I worked with someone who strutted around as if she had invented the entire network, but whenever anything went wrong, she had to call her assistant who left a year and a half before.

    I don't know which was worse: that she had the nerve to make the call, or that he kept giving up half-days to remote in and install server patches for her, long after he had gone.

    Oh and let's not even talk about leaving an active account for a former employee, or letting said helper sudo to root and fiddle with your firewall configuration.

  • (cs) in reply to Miguel
    Miguel:
    I've rarely heard a story (on here) about someone who had such trouble in their second or third job, so maybe Grads should be taught to skip the first job and settle straight into the second.

    That's a great idea!

    I've also heard that 75% of all car accidents happen within 5 miles from home. Why doesn't everyone just move 10 miles away?

  • mh (unregistered) in reply to Charlie
    Charlie:
    I worked with someone who strutted around as if she had invented the entire network, but whenever anything went wrong, she had to call her assistant who left a year and a half before.

    I don't know which was worse: that she had the nerve to make the call, or that he kept giving up half-days to remote in and install server patches for her, long after he had gone.

    Oh and let's not even talk about leaving an active account for a former employee, or letting said helper sudo to root and fiddle with your firewall configuration.

    Sounds like her firewall config wasn't the only thing he was fiddling with!

  • Anonymous Coward (unregistered) in reply to mh
    mh:
    Charlie:
    I worked with someone who strutted around as if she had invented the entire network, but whenever anything went wrong, she had to call her assistant who left a year and a half before.

    I don't know which was worse: that she had the nerve to make the call, or that he kept giving up half-days to remote in and install server patches for her, long after he had gone.

    Oh and let's not even talk about leaving an active account for a former employee, or letting said helper sudo to root and fiddle with your firewall configuration.

    Sounds like her firewall config wasn't the only thing he was fiddling with!

    Tiger used to work in IT?

  • Anonymously Yours (unregistered) in reply to JohnB
    JohnB:
    John C. Random:
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number.<snip>
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. <snip>
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. <snip>
    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.
    You say that as if it's a bad thing.
    It really boils down to: should you value your company? If you want to have a career there, they have profit sharing, this is [financially] recognized as going above and beyond, or you want to try to keep your coworkers employed, there's a solid argument for being on-call. On the other hand, if it's just a job to you, they routinely lay off people to "cut costs," you're unappreciated, or you're enabling repeated management/sales stupidity, there's a solid argument for telling them to go to hell.

    I kind of see this quote pyramid as an argument that lacks the context to make either person right. If Anonymous has been treated like expendable shit and is an asshole right back, good for him. If he's taking a good company for granted, he's a jackass who's making everything worse for those around him. If Bruce W believes keeping people from getting laid off because a disaster happens after work hours, good for him too. If he's protecting management/sales from punishment for their stupidity or bending over backwards to make their over-promising possible, he's an idiot who's making everything worse for those around him.

    Context is everything where people are involved. Even the un-snipped arguments didn't put in situational qualifiers.

  • Yes Indeed (unregistered) in reply to Sounds Familiar
    Sounds Familiar:
    I worked for UK2.NET ... they were very much like that.

    [...]

    Beneath the slick exterior sales website was a big pile of badly mangled crazy.

    Trust me when I say that that hasn't managed to have gone unnoticed by some of their (former) customers. ;)

  • Laughing Jack (unregistered) in reply to John C. Random
    John C. Random:
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. Likewise, I expect my employer to understand that if there is a family emergency, I'm gone. Professional courtesy goes both ways.
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.
    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.
    He doesn't care about making other men rich. You know what we call that don't you? That's right, Socialism.
  • aptent (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    John C. Random:
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number. If they need to contact me then they can buy me a company mobile but I will still insist on turning it off as soon as I leave work for the day. If it is outside of working hours then I couldn't care less about their problems.
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. Likewise, I expect my employer to understand that if there is a family emergency, I'm gone. Professional courtesy goes both ways.
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.

    This basically tells me that, although you perform adequately enough, nobody really wants you around when the shit hits the fan.

    Nobody wants me around at any point in time but like I explained, they need me more than I need them so they just have to put up with me. I'm not trying to tell you that I'm not an asshole because I really am. I'm sure they hate me but that is their perogative as long as they keep paying me (which they will, poor bastards).
    No results found for perogative:

    Did you mean prerogative?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perogative

    you're not an asshole, you're a douche.

  • Buzzard (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous

    [quote user="AnonymousI've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.[/quote]

    agree with you 100%

  • Crimson King (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    People like this should be run out of business.

    It's been my experience that people like this really don't need any help going out of business.

  • RealWorld (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number. If they need to contact me then they can buy me a company mobile but I will still insist on turning it off as soon as I leave work for the day. If it is outside of working hours then I couldn't care less about their problems.

    Yeah, but we can't all be Starbucks Baristas.

  • Career Path (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Bruce W:
    Anonymous:
    I would never ever give my employer my mobile phone number. If they need to contact me then they can buy me a company mobile but I will still insist on turning it off as soon as I leave work for the day. If it is outside of working hours then I couldn't care less about their problems.
    Wow. How long have you worked in IT? I value my personal time but I know that when the shit hits the fan, who cares what time it is. Likewise, I expect my employer to understand that if there is a family emergency, I'm gone. Professional courtesy goes both ways.
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.

    And with an attitude like that you're the first person I'll "let go" when I'm promoted above you. No company, department, or project revolves on one person, and if it does then it's time to shake things up.... A good manager ensures no employee isn't replaceable - what if you were hit by a bus tomorrow. The company/project needs to go on.

    With a crappy attitude like that you can be assured of a long line of crappy going-nowhere jobs. You're not a bitch to your company, you are a bitch to mediocrity and obsolescence.

    Enjoy the unemployment line, you'll get there eventually.

  • Sylver (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that no one even considered fixing the boss. All considering, the job was fine & interesting, the pay was good and the only problem was a needy boss.

    Instead of "enduring", why not simply take the boss aside and explain exactly where you draw the line?

    Absolute worst case scenario, he fires you (unlikely if he is needy, but what do you care if you wanted out?), but most likely, he will simply back off. "Look, you are a great guy and all, but I have issues with micromanagement and personal space, so I would really appreciate if you could give me some space..."

    Most likely, that would have worked.

  • 2twisted (unregistered) in reply to Bubba
    Bubba:
    It puts the lotion on its skin
    ...and rubs the lotion into the skin...
  • Jim Steichen (unregistered)
    Don't run, we are your friendz...
  • Laughing Jack (unregistered) in reply to Career Path
    Career Path:
    Anonymous:
    I've worked in IT long enough to know that I can earn my wage without being anybody's bitch. I'm contracted to work 8 hours a day and I perform to the best of my abilities during that time. But once that time has passed, I'm gone and I'm not stopping for anything or anyone. And they still have to accomodate me if I have a "family emergency" or anything else, because they know good and damn well that they need me more than I need them. As far as I'm concerned, professional courtesy works one way because I have the upper hand and I couldn't care less about my employers or their success in the marketplace. This attitude has being honed by many years in an unforgiving industry. If you stick with it for long enough you'll get there eventually.
    And with an attitude like that you're the first person I'll "let go" when I'm promoted above you. No company, department, or project revolves on one person, and if it does then it's time to shake things up.... A good manager ensures no employee isn't replaceable - what if you were hit by a bus tomorrow. The company/project needs to go on.

    With a crappy attitude like that you can be assured of a long line of crappy going-nowhere jobs. You're not a bitch to your company, you are a bitch to mediocrity and obsolescence.

    Enjoy the unemployment line, you'll get there eventually.

    Ahhh, the willing slave, brass ring clenched firmly between his teeth. He will triumph over lesser men by virture of his superior qualities, and climb that ladder to corporate success. It's the American Way.

    I've got $5 on peptic ulcer. Anybody want to put $5 on mental breakdown?

  • (cs) in reply to Des
    Des:
    Last thing I remember I was running for the door I had to find the passage back To the place I was before

    Good night, said the night-man We are programmed to receive You can checkout any time you like But you can never leave

    Someone probably did this already, but

    Relax said the night-man...

    (second try)

  • (cs) in reply to Dan
    Dan:
    while reading i kept visualizing John as Rhys Darby both in Flight of the Conchords and Yes Men

    "Victor C ... present."

  • (cs) in reply to Crimson King
    Crimson King:
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    People like this should be run out of business.

    It's been my experience that people like this really don't need any help going out of business.

    Unfortunately from my experience (roughly 6-7 times working for similar companies... not as bad as the guy in this story though) these companies usually stay in business :(

  • (cs) in reply to Career Path
    Career Path:
    And with an attitude like that you're the first person I'll "let go" when I'm promoted above you. No company, department, or project revolves on one person, and if it does then it's time to shake things up.... A good manager ensures no employee isn't replaceable - what if you were hit by a bus tomorrow. The company/project needs to go on.

    With a crappy attitude like that you can be assured of a long line of crappy going-nowhere jobs. You're not a bitch to your company, you are a bitch to mediocrity and obsolescence.

    Enjoy the unemployment line, you'll get there eventually.

    People like you should never be promoted to management. You're the kind of scumbag who thinks that your employees should drop whatever they do for the "good of the company". well you know what? FUCK THE COMPANY. There is NO circumstance, EVER, where a JOB is more important than someone's life. EVER. If your precious server is down at 2am, then guess what? It will still be down at 9am when the server admin comes into work.

    A job exists to allow you to live. Your life does not, and never should, revolve around making someone else rich.

  • (cs) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    FUCK THE COMPANY... A job exists to allow you to live.

    I'm guessing from your handle that you're at least somewhat of a Star Wars fan. Do you think that the guys who worked on those movies feel the way you do about their work?

    Is it really making you happy that you do something you detest just to exist, and do you truly believe that nobody else in the world has passion for their jobs, or that those who do are just suckers?

    Yikes...

  • Arenlor (unregistered) in reply to mbvlist

    Fuck off you jackass. Just because someone is crazy doesn't mean they have Asperger's, we are rather normal you know.

  • Nick (unregistered) in reply to highphilosopher
    highphilosopher:
    It may sound funny for a boss to worry about someone disappearing, but my first job was to replace the developer of a web based company that went to lunch one day, and didn't come back. He called six months after I started and apologized saying, "He just couldn't take it anymore". I lasted there for 3 1/2 years before I had the same response. At least I put in two weeks though!
    One of our devs just didn't show up for work one day, he stopped getting paid about 2 weeks later. That was 2 years ago, we still have no idea what happened to him, no answer on his phone or email.

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