• The Zune Master (unregistered) in reply to cellocgw
    cellocgw:
    Pawprint:
    If having Chicago style pizza was the high point of his trip, it clearly was a hellish experience through and through. (By the way, lest I be seen to be on the "other side" of the debate, I don't like New York style pizza either. Pizza should not be floppy!)

    Obligatory debate-ending quote: Pizza is like sex. Even when it's bad, it's good.

    Pizza is like sex. Even if it's bad, at least you get cheese.
  • (cs)

    When it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, you get some on your shirt.

  • PC Amok (unregistered) in reply to Developer Dude
    Developer Dude:
    The problem with burning your bridges with one employer is if you anger them, they are more than willing to get on the grapevine and bad mouth you to anyone they can.

    As with trolls on the internet, it is best to just ignore them and walk away.

    Not that I'm advocating being rude or nasty, but the grapevine goes both ways and some companies have reputations. Being rejected by them can be a badge of honor.

  • Mason Wheeler (unregistered)

    At my last job, we had the imminently sensible practice of actually having developers from the team conduct all the interviews. I never spoke with an HR drone at any point until after I had received the job offer.

    Several months later, one of my coworkers was expressing some serious frustration at his inability to find a qualified candidate for a .NET position. Suddenly he started asking me some of the interview questions. (I'm a Delphi developer and, at that point, had never touched .NET in my life.)

    I thought about them for a few moments and gave common-sense answers based on what I figured would be the way things would have to be in order to have a working system. He just laughed and said "you got them all right. We oughtta give you the job."

  • neminem (unregistered) in reply to cellocgw
    cellocgw:
    Pawprint:
    If having Chicago style pizza was the high point of his trip, it clearly was a hellish experience through and through. (By the way, lest I be seen to be on the "other side" of the debate, I don't like New York style pizza either. Pizza should not be floppy!)

    Obligatory debate-ending quote: Pizza is like sex. Even when it's bad, it's good.

    Though that's a complete lie. I have had some pretty disgusting pizza. For instance, sometimes the dining hall at the college I went to, would serve pizzas that were clearly only half-cooked.
  • (cs)

    Just before graduating from college (more years ago than I care to admit) I was interviewed by General Dynamics -- flown out to California from the midwest, put up in hotel, meals, etc. All because on my resume I'd indicated that I had one class in AI. Got to the interview; interviewer asked me how much experience I'd had with AI. I said one class. The interview was essentially over at that point.

    Probably $1000 in expenses to ask one question that could have been determined by looking at my resume.

  • (cs)

    TRWTF is that Chicago-style pizza is clearly related to the pie, but NYers took "pie" to refer to their NY-style pizza which is clearly related to the tortilla.

  • (cs)

    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

  • General Dynamics (unregistered) in reply to DrPepper
    DrPepper:
    Just before graduating from college (more years ago than I care to admit) I was interviewed by General Dynamics -- flown out to California from the midwest, put up in hotel, meals, etc. All because on my resume I'd indicated that I had one class in AI. Got to the interview; interviewer asked me how much experience I'd had with AI. I said one class. The interview was essentially over at that point.

    Probably $1000 in expenses to ask one question that could have been determined by looking at my resume.

    Heh, I used to work for them. Well, a subsidiary that they bought. I too was interviewed by them right out of school. Not a bad job, all told.

    CAPTCHA: Similis - it's like a simile.

  • (cs) in reply to eViLegion
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Well, if you want decent Italian food in America, you'd have to go to Providence.

  • (cs) in reply to eViLegion
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?
    Aww, that's cute, you're one of those "all European food is automatically better" lemmings.

    Get over yourself. Sturgeon's Law applies to food too, y'know.

  • (cs) in reply to neminem
    neminem:
    Though that's a complete lie. I have had some pretty disgusting pizza. For instance, sometimes the dining hall at the college I went to, would serve pizzas that were clearly only half-cooked.

    That's right. Pizza is like sex. If it's not old enough, you're in a lot of trouble.

  • (cs) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?
    Aww, that's cute, you're one of those "all European food is automatically better" lemmings.

    Get over yourself. Sturgeon's Law applies to food too, y'know.

    ...He is right, though--Italian pizza is about a million times better than anything in the US.

  • Sam I am (unregistered)

    This submission is kinda eery because I have done a lot of the same things.

    This is because I, myself went to a university a little over 2 hours from Chicago, which had a thriving Magic the Gathering community, and have had an interview at Willis Tower somewhere on a floor in the 50s or 60s, and also ate lunch at Giordano's across the street that day

  • (cs) in reply to Anton
    Anton:
    Oboy, you trying to start a Jon-Stewart style flame war against deep dish? It is awesome!

    Agreed - it is awesome. Just stop calling it pizza.

  • (cs) in reply to Sam I am
    Sam I am:
    This submission is kinda eery because I have done a lot of the same things.

    This is because I, myself went to a university a little over 2 hours from Chicago, which had a thriving Magic the Gathering community, and have had an interview at Willis Tower somewhere on a floor in the 50s or 60s, and also ate lunch at Giordano's across the street that day

    Nice thinly veiled brag!

  • Jorg (unregistered) in reply to ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    GettinSadda:
    Surely the real story is that the recruiter probably "updated" his CV to include ASP.NET as this was a requirement for the job.
    That's why you always bring a few copies of YOUR version to the interview. If nothing else, you might get them to blacklist an asp hole recruiter who has no problem with inserting outright lies into people's resumes.
    FTFY
  • Bazza (unregistered) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    lucidfox:
    faoileag:
    lucidfox:
    TRWTF is this article being titled "ASP Holes" when ASP and ASP.NET are completely different web technologies.
    Unless of course "ASP Holes" is a very delicate play-of-words... :-)

    Oh, now I get it. I mentally pronounced ASP as "ei-es-pee" and it just didn't occur to me.

    You mentally pronounced it retardedly, your way sounds like ISP.

    Speaking of, how do you pronounce Liquorland?

  • Adam Ingle (unregistered) in reply to DrPepper
    DrPepper:
    Just before graduating from college (more years ago than I care to admit) I was interviewed by General Dynamics -- flown out to California from the midwest, put up in hotel, meals, etc. All because on my resume I'd indicated that I had one class in AI. Got to the interview; interviewer asked me how much experience I'd had with AI. I said one class. The interview was essentially over at that point.

    Probably $1000 in expenses to ask one question that could have been determined by looking at my resume.

    they interviewed me too....I'm not sure why they thought I knew any AI.

    Cheers, AI

  • Luigi Vincelli (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Well, if you want decent Italian food in America, you'd have to go to Providence.

    If you want decent Italian food in America, you're in the wrong place.

  • (cs) in reply to Luigi Vincelli
    Luigi Vincelli:
    chubertdev:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Well, if you want decent Italian food in America, you'd have to go to Providence.

    If you want decent Italian food in America, you're in the wrong place.

    You've never been to Federal Hill. There are more Italians there than Americans.

  • Bill C. (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    When it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, you get some on your shirt.
    Nah. Bad is the way I did it. If I'd thought of doing it your way, on my shirt, she wouldn't have had any evidence.
  • Bill C. (unregistered) in reply to eViLegion
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Hey, you're right. Pizza is like sex.

  • (cs) in reply to Bill C.
    Bill C.:
    chubertdev:
    When it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, you get some on your shirt.
    Nah. Bad is the way I did it. If I'd thought of doing it your way, on my shirt, she wouldn't have had any evidence.

    I said shirt, not dress.

  • (cs) in reply to Bill C.
    Bill C.:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Hey, you're right. Pizza is like sex.

    What's that old joke? The Greeks invented sex, the Italians changed it to include a woman.

  • QJo (unregistered) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?
    Aww, that's cute, you're one of those "all European food is automatically better" lemmings.

    Get over yourself. Sturgeon's Law applies to food too, y'know.

    Nine tenths of all food is American, you mean?

  • Murphy (unregistered) in reply to eViLegion
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    It's no contest, Robocop 3 is by far the worst Robocop movie until the new one comes out next month.

  • Bill C. (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    Bill C.:
    chubertdev:
    When it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, you get some on your shirt.
    Nah. Bad is the way I did it. If I'd thought of doing it your way, on my shirt, she wouldn't have had any evidence.
    I said shirt, not dress.
    That's what I said. My way was bad. Your way wouldn't have been bad.
  • Mike Francis (unregistered) in reply to cellocgw

    How about a hot dog pizza? I won a prize in a contest in college - a coupon for a free pizza at a local joint. When I tried to redeem it, I found that the selection of free pizzas was limited; the least objectionable was a hot dog pizza. Being a starving college student, I tried it. It was memorably awful. Grease from the hot dogs, grease from the cheese - if I had wrung out the pizza and collected the grease I could have changed the oil on a truck. I was put off hot dogs and pizza for weeks afterward.

  • Luigi Vincelli (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    Luigi Vincelli:
    chubertdev:
    eViLegion:
    Just checking, but are you guys aware just how shit all American pizzas are compared to the ones in Italy?

    Watching you all argue over Chicago/NY is like watching kids arguing over whether Robocop 2 is better than Robocop 3; they both totally suck.

    Well, if you want decent Italian food in America, you'd have to go to Providence.

    If you want decent Italian food in America, you're in the wrong place.

    You've never been to Federal Hill. There are more Italians there than Americans.

    yeah, but they're American Italians.....

  • Sir Robin-The-Not-So-Brave (unregistered) in reply to TGV
    TGV:
    Hermann:
    TRWTF is the diagram being in German.
    You're basing that on the word "nur"?
    Nope, on the Wikimedia summary:

    Description Deutsch: ASP.NET Lifecycle Date 21 April 2013, 22:53:41 Source Own work Author MovGP0

  • Aris (unregistered)

    When being asked on a technology you never worked with but still can answer the questions, tell it the interviewer. If what they want is someone who can figure out things fast, they will choose you even if you have no experience on that particular technology. In this tdwtf it's obvious the interviewer thought the guy was just a slow parrot.

    Be honest.

  • ceiswyn (unregistered) in reply to Mike Francis
    Mike Francis:
    How about a hot dog pizza? I won a prize in a contest in college - a coupon for a free pizza at a local joint. When I tried to redeem it, I found that the selection of free pizzas was limited; the least objectionable was a hot dog pizza.

    I have to know. What were the worse ones?!

  • anonymous (unregistered) in reply to ceiswyn
    ceiswyn:
    Mike Francis:
    How about a hot dog pizza? I won a prize in a contest in college - a coupon for a free pizza at a local joint. When I tried to redeem it, I found that the selection of free pizzas was limited; the least objectionable was a hot dog pizza.

    I have to know. What were the worse ones?!

    I can think of a few...

  • Mario Luigi (unregistered) in reply to Pawprint
    Pawprint:
    Pizza should not be floppy!
    Why, on the contrary! Pizza should be floppy, that's how them Italianos make them and that's the only proper way.
  • (cs) in reply to Bill C.
    Bill C.:
    chubertdev:
    Bill C.:
    chubertdev:
    When it's good, it's good. And if it's bad, you get some on your shirt.
    Nah. Bad is the way I did it. If I'd thought of doing it your way, on my shirt, she wouldn't have had any evidence.
    I said shirt, not dress.
    That's what I said. My way was bad. Your way wouldn't have been bad.

    Ahhh, my mind read what it wanted to. Sorry about that.

  • Bananafish (unregistered) in reply to Penguin Foundation Member
    Penguin Foundation Member:
    TGV:
    lucidfox:
    TRWTF is this article being titled "ASP Holes" when ASP and ASP.NET are completely different web technologies.
    So goddam right! How dare they use an incomplete abbrevation! Tell it to them open source loving pinko gay communist bastards from hell, blakey!

    Smack Open Source again and you can get off the train and walk! We tend to give people with Open Source experience more "experience" credit than those without -- shows they can use their brains themselves instead of only knowing what Redmond says it right.

    WTF??

    "Open Source" means the source code is available IF YOU WANT IT. So, IF YOU WANT IT, you can download the source code, read every line, modify whatever you like, compile it, install it, configure it, and make it do whatever you feel it's supposed to. But that's only if you truly are smart and can program well -- which most people can not. So they install other people's software whether the code is open, closed, or commercially proprietary.

    I'll bet more than 95% of Open Source supporters, including ALL of the loudest and proudest of its preachers, just go to some web site, download a pre-built package, install it with all the defaults, and then smugly suggest they are experienced because they can (and I quote) "use their brains themselves instead of only knowing what Redmond says it right."

  • Jeremy (unregistered)

    Interview questions like that are TRWTF. I have no idea why they're so prevalent in programmer interviews.

    At what point is it relevant if you can draw a pretty picture of how some specific system is setup? Is the whole idiotic diversion a round about way of figuring out whether or not the person knows that the database can be separate from other servers? What's the endgame there?

    Who cares "how" it happens...I mean, it's not 100% irrelevant, but I don't know why so many interviewers want to spend 50% of the time they have with an applicant on stuff like this.

  • Developer Dude (unregistered) in reply to C-Derb
    C-Derb:
    Yeah, I seriously doubt an effective grapevine for bad mouthing a candidate to other potential employers even exists, especially in Chicago.

    In my experience such grapevines exist.

    People know people, and people talk about people, especially if someone pisses them off.

    Overall, it is just better and more professional to say "Thank you - have a nice day." and keep your thoughts to yourself. You may meet this person again at another org, or they may make it their goal in life to make it hard for you to find a job. People are ASP-Holes and I make it a habit to never underestimate either their stupidity or their tendency to be vindictive.

  • SomeDick (unregistered) in reply to Bananafish
    Bananafish:
    Penguin Foundation Member:
    TGV:
    lucidfox:
    TRWTF is this article being titled "ASP Holes" when ASP and ASP.NET are completely different web technologies.
    So goddam right! How dare they use an incomplete abbrevation! Tell it to them open source loving pinko gay communist bastards from hell, blakey!

    Smack Open Source again and you can get off the train and walk! We tend to give people with Open Source experience more "experience" credit than those without -- shows they can use their brains themselves instead of only knowing what Redmond says it right.

    WTF??

    "Open Source" means the source code is available IF YOU WANT IT. So, IF YOU WANT IT, you can download the source code, read every line, modify whatever you like, compile it, install it, configure it, and make it do whatever you feel it's supposed to. But that's only if you truly are smart and can program well -- which most people can not. So they install other people's software whether the code is open, closed, or commercially proprietary.

    I'll bet more than 95% of Open Source supporters, including ALL of the loudest and proudest of its preachers, just go to some web site, download a pre-built package, install it with all the defaults, and then smugly suggest they are experienced because they can (and I quote) "use their brains themselves instead of only knowing what Redmond says it right."

    Can you is plz showing me how is download from sourceforge? I is cannot find built versions and compiler not works on my desktop.
  • (cs) in reply to Don
    Don:
    Oddly enough, I've been in the industry over 22 years and I've worked with people of various skill level. Some of those people claimed 20-25 years experience, but couldn't figure out a simple algorithm if it hit them in the face, and I've seen some (admittedly few) people with 2-5 years who behave and are skilled in the way I'd expect a person with 15-20 years experience.

    Experience is a good marker for "how good/skilled" the candidate must be; it should never dictate how many actual years are needed to pass the interview. Otherwise you'll land up with idiots that have 25 years of twiddling their thumbs doing development on radar aircraft guidance systems...

    Yep; 5 years of experience vs. 5 times 1 year of experience is a classic indeed.

  • Bill C. (unregistered) in reply to Mike Francis
    Mike Francis:
    How about a hot dog pizza? I won a prize in a contest in college - a coupon for a free pizza at a local joint. When I tried to redeem it, I found that the selection of free pizzas was limited; the least objectionable was a hot dog pizza. Being a starving college student, I tried it. It was memorably awful. Grease from the hot dogs, grease from the cheese - if I had wrung out the pizza and collected the grease I could have changed the oil on a truck. I was put off hot dogs and pizza for weeks afterward.
    That's what you get for entering the wrong contest. You should have got a coupon for a free joint with purchase of pizza, abuse of hot dog, and ... oops, cheese? Geeze, I still can't straighten this out.
  • BeenThereDoneThat (unregistered)

    My "best" wtf wasn't even an interview. It was an online test for a Help Desk company.

    Before the test, they tell you questions will be based on Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 and Active Directory. Enter the test, and the questions are almost EXCLUSIVELY Windows 8, even though that OS had only just come out. Of course, I didn't qualify.

    Typical.

  • Tux "Tuxedo" Penguin (unregistered)

    Shouldn't this be filled under Tales From the Interview?

    quibus - a bus where you get asked quiz questions.

  • (cs) in reply to Developer Dude
    Developer Dude:
    C-Derb:
    Yeah, I seriously doubt an effective grapevine for bad mouthing a candidate to other potential employers even exists, especially in Chicago.

    In my experience such grapevines exist.

    People know people, and people talk about people, especially if someone pisses them off.

    Overall, it is just better and more professional to say "Thank you - have a nice day." and keep your thoughts to yourself. You may meet this person again at another org, or they may make it their goal in life to make it hard for you to find a job. People are ASP-Holes and I make it a habit to never underestimate either their stupidity or their tendency to be vindictive.

    But this also empowers those "ASP Holes" since they never face any repercussions for acting the way they do. Too many poor companies and people get to exist because everybody's afraid of saying something bad.

  • (cs) in reply to BeenThereDoneThat
    BeenThereDoneThat:
    My "best" wtf wasn't even an interview. It was an online test for a Help Desk company.

    Before the test, they tell you questions will be based on Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 and Active Directory. Enter the test, and the questions are almost EXCLUSIVELY Windows 8, even though that OS had only just come out. Of course, I didn't qualify.

    Typical.

    But I bet Rajesh got them all right...

  • asd (unregistered)

    This is kind of similar to what happened to me. Basically I had an hour drive to an interview for a C# position. Turns out it was a vb.net position (extremely little C# was asked for) and I had not touched VB outside of a couple small scripts in probability class. Amusingly I still got the job and was told I was hired on the following interview the next day and started working the next Monday.

    Turned out that it was the recruiter that was playing me though. The busty blonde only mentioned "C#" to me. Later the devs said that they had given her a list of reqs, instead of just "c#".

    She still calls the place I work at trying to get them to hire someone else through her.

  • I Roll M2 (unregistered) in reply to Don

    RE: "Some of those people claimed 20-25 years experience, but couldn't figure out a simple algorithm if it hit them in the face"

    Sometimes such people have pleasant personalities and are quite willing-to-work. I refer to this situation as the "genial ambiance of dimly-lit bulbs".

  • (cs) in reply to Hermann
    Hermann:
    TRWTF is the diagram being in German.
    Perhaps they were confusing ASP with SAP?
  • Me (unregistered)

    It's odd to come across these types of interview stories, even though you know they're out there. When I was in the same boat: brand new B.S.; no internships; no summer jobs; no work experience EVAR...and about the same distance from Chicago, I spent a few months muddling around in my hometown looking for any available C# development(nada!) and once I knew there were no prospects, I put my resumé online and had 2 interviews a week later with 2 job offers: one low(42k), one high(60k); took the high offer and ran with it; 2006

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