• mizchief (unregistered) in reply to Code Dependent

    One thing i've learned from reading this site is to ALWAYS get a copy of the company handbook before accepting the job. Even if they try to pull a bunch of shit that isn't in the handbook you can then use that in court to win a breach of contract case inorder to get your self another few weeks of pay before you find another job.

  • Surfergurl (unregistered)

    Too bad Todd didn't threaten to call the labor board on his boss. It's a federal law that employees get a 15 minute break -- PAID -- for every four hours that they work.

  • (cs) in reply to T604
    T604:
    "Also, if you're salaried, and they start telling you to "punch out" to go to the bathroom, head for the door and don't look back."

    I thought this was illegal. I'm pretty sure for every 4 hours you work in the US they are required to give you a 15 minute break on the clock.

    I forget where I read it, but apparently it's NOT required if you are on salary. They don't need to give you a break.

  • Dan (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    T604:
    "Also, if you're salaried, and they start telling you to "punch out" to go to the bathroom, head for the door and don't look back."

    I thought this was illegal. I'm pretty sure for every 4 hours you work in the US they are required to give you a 15 minute break on the clock.

    I forget where I read it, but apparently it's NOT required if you are on salary. They don't need to give you a break.

    Actually they do. My wife has a Master's in HR and teaches HR Law, and she says they do.

  • Schmitter (unregistered)

    I don't smoke cigarettes, but at work periodically I will hang out outside for 10 minutes or so taking my "smoke break". If I can't enjoy my hour plus long CIO Italia Piazza, I will at least tell good stories with my Marlboro friends. Just because I am a non smoker doesn't mean I shouldn't have as many breaks as they do.

  • (cs) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    MTS:
    Dude, nobody wears suits to interviews anymore. I haven't worn a suit to an interview since 1990.
    That might be true in Outer Podunk. Not so in the big city.

    I know I've interviewed without a suit in New York City (and got the job). I wouldn't exactly call that Outer Podunk.

  • Others (unregistered)

    Why did I leave 3 mintues early. I was calling OSHA, they will be here tomorrow.

  • IT Roadkill on Information Superhighway (unregistered) in reply to Brad I
    Brad I:
    I know there are sadistic managers out there, but this system would create MORE work for them. Thus, makes it very unlikely.
    You really don't know about the sadistic mindset, do you?

    The thing is, they're not likely to actually go through the paperwork generated all of the time, but they WILL do so the very moment they think that they can catch you mucking up somehow; it is a kind of CYA policy for them.

    They get their jollies from making YOU to do the unneeded work (which they can later put into use; some of them will tell you 'we really don't need these, except...' and then watch you sweat as you know that the records will come up the very moment you screw up and will be used to flay your hide without mercy); the gleeful joy comes from them watch you sweat and curse, and then submit and crawl under the crushing heel of bureaucracy they worship as their Goddess, and lick Her boot to earn your meager paycheck so you can go on sustaining your worthless life for a pittance and then come back for more abuse.

    The amount of detail and thinking they put into creating these hoops to leap through is practically pornographic.

    And that's how it works.

  • (cs) in reply to bradhannah
    bradhannah:
    I can attest to that. Working when family are involved will ALWAYS leave you at the bottom end of the totem pole. I can really relate to the bosses wife coming in once a week and having to catch her at exactly the right moment to get her to do something for me.

    Sounds kinky.

  • peterb (unregistered) in reply to kswanton

    Germany has similar laws. The pay could be docked, of course. And theoretically the employer could sue his employee, if he has to hire a substitute.

    In Theory. In practice, someone who gets fired in a bad way will have a few of his 28 vacations day/year left anyway and will be told not to show up for work, with full pay, of course.

  • Olaf (unregistered)
    . If you were on fire, you'd better finish your shift before you stopped, dropped, and rolled.
    shouldn't that be ". If you were on fire, you'd better finish your shift before you stopped, punched out, dropped, and rolled."
  • csrster (unregistered)

    I punch in and out every day and it suits me fine. I work 37 hours a week with flextime, and the punch-clock makes sure I know, my employer knows, and the union knows, that I'm working the hours I'm paid for - neither more nor less.

  • Rand (unregistered) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    Franz Kafka:
    Brad I:
    Sued for what? It wouldn't be disclosing trade secrets or anything. Did someone sign a contract that said they'd never disclose the company's abusive employee policies?

    Seems to me they'd want to keep that type of information out of the courts and public record.

    The only reason for someone to get sued is if the story isn't true.

    No, lots of people will sue or threaten a lawsuit if you say bad things about them. Even if you're right, it costs money to hire lawyers, and you could lose anyway.

    Exactly. Plus I think it would often be possible for the plaintiff to choose the jurisdiction to sue in. So they could sue Alex for libel in England, where the libel laws are notoriously harsh - unusually, the burden of proof is on the DEFENDANT, to show the claims were true.

    I call bullshit. I call bullshit on the story (as others have said, I'd be out of there on the first day).

    However, I also call bullshit on the notion that this site could be sued for posting the name. IANAL, but consider that:

    1] I assume the work site is in the US. Since TDWTF is also located in the US, there's no standing to sue in a foreign country. 2] US Safe Harbor protects this site from being sued for content posted by users. 3] Even if Safe Harbor did not apply, the site has affirmative defenses to a lawsuit; truth (assuming it is true) and journalistic privilege. The plaintiff would also have to prove damages.

    So, if this site wants to take "the high road" and keep things anonymous, then that's fine; but let's not pretend that there's any potential liability here. The worst that could happen for the site is that the site could be issued subpoena for the identity of the poster. The poster himself could be sued, but again see #3 above. I seriously doubt a small family shop could afford to pursue such a case when it has no chance at winning.

  • Casey (unregistered)

    sloppy dresser = sloppy coder

    If you don't care how you look, why would you care how your code looks?

  • Ch0 (unregistered) in reply to DangerMouse9
    DangerMouse9:
    That's nothing, Lyle has to clock out whenever he's not thinking about work.

    Which is never.

  • dube (unregistered) in reply to Casey
    Casey:
    sloppy dresser = sloppy coder

    If you don't care how you look, why would you care how your code looks?

    pretty good equation, like "brilliant mathematician = brilliant sprinter"

    was that a try for a wtf?

  • ingenious (unregistered) in reply to dube
    dube:
    Casey:
    sloppy dresser = sloppy coder

    If you don't care how you look, why would you care how your code looks?

    pretty good equation, like "brilliant mathematician = brilliant sprinter"

    was that a try for a wtf?

    I think it would rather be "brillant mathematician = paula bean"...

  • CorporateWhore (unregistered) in reply to wee
    The place it was a big issue at had no formal clock in/out, but my manager was ex-military and somewhat of an ogre. She started in on me once about how I had come in at -- gasp -- 9:30 two days in a row. Never said boo about working until 8pm, or the....

    I had the same thing, real ass of a boss, my 'tardiness' was raised as an issue (this was a few weeks after being asked to do overtime then having the overtime refused because it was not formally agreed in writing, never mind that I saved every body's asses), so implemented the same policy.

    As it turns out I figured out when my boss arrived and left and fitted my schedule around that, arriving 5min early and leaving 5min later. I do love my bosses short Fridays :).

  • Dave G. (unregistered) in reply to Rand
    Rand:
    2 US Safe Harbor protects this site from being sued for content posted by users.

    Actually, safe harbor would never protect this site because the site frequently anonymizes user submissions. By doing so, it has assumed responsibility for the content. You'll notice that safe harbor only applies to content providers who do not, in any way, modify the data they distribute - ie they take an agnostic approach to everything.

    Once they start editing user submitted content as a matter of course, the provisions do not protect them from ANY of the user content they post, regardless of whether or not a specific user content item was edited.

    3 Even if Safe Harbor did not apply, the site has affirmative defenses to a lawsuit; truth (assuming it is true) and journalistic privilege. The plaintiff would also have to prove damages.

    Even if this is true, Alex can still be sued. Even if the judge tosses the case at summary judgement, he would still be required to pay for a lawyer and organise a defense. Lawyers are expensive.

    I'm all for exposing shitty companies, but I wouldn't ask others to do it unless I was willing to put at least some of my own capital towards any legal expenses which may be incurred.

  • Manu (unregistered)

    Reminds me of "Orientation", a short story by Daniel Orozco. :)

  • Deimios (unregistered) in reply to danixdefcon5
    danixdefcon5:
    ChiefCrazyTalk:
    I call fake. I would have quit that job the first 5 minutes - after checking first to see if I was on Candid Camera or Punk'd
    Ever worked at a Call Center?

    Sounds much like their kind of policies. A friend works at one, and those 14 "free time" minutes are known as the AUX 1 time.

    And yes, it includes going to the bathroom.

    AUX codes are primarily used to indicate to the system that you're not currently available to take calls. As agents' hours are pulled from the phone switch, different AUX codes (AUX 1, AUX 2, etc.) are used to differentiate between off the phone time that is related to work related tasks (special projects/training) and other paid hours (i.e. 15 minute breaks, "personal" time, etc.). Generally a small amount of "personal" time is allowed for bathroom breaks, etc. and needs to be differentiated from actual breaks.

  • Rob (unregistered)

    In a government admin job I had a few years ago, I had to follow strict times AND everything was in 15 minute blocks. A few seconds late? Subtract 15 minutes from your time which you have to make up later.

    The thing was, I wasn't allowed to even start doing any work until my starting time, and had to stop the moment the day finished.

    I wasn't even allowed to BE there early, because if someone saw me not working before I was allowed to start working, they'd assume I was just slacking off and would complain.

  • Paolo G (unregistered) in reply to daniel

    "At this point, Todd decided to end the relationship by formally giving his two minutes' notice. On his way out, he suggested his boss do something anatomically impossible."

    Yeah, it was anatomically impossible because this boss was so anally retentive there wouldn't have been room up there.

  • Paolo G (unregistered)

    Are employee rights practically non-existent in the US? Here in the UK, we get all sorts of protection in law that would mean there is no way any boss could legally act in the way described in the original post or some of the replies.

  • DazP (unregistered) in reply to Paolo G
    Paolo G:
    Are employee rights practically non-existent in the US? Here in the UK, we get all sorts of protection in law that would mean there is no way any boss could legally act in the way described in the original post or some of the replies.

    I used to work in a call centre. I live in the UK. Always have.

    When I signed up, I was supposed to be on a normal 9-5 type job. Cool. After I started, I got moved to 1:30 -> 9:30 weekdays. I didn't get a weekend, as I was required to start at 8 in the morning Saturday. I got Wednesday off instead. Not cool. Social life, completely gone, work/play rhythm screwed. Also note, I was leaving 2130 Friday and starting 0800 Saturday. The law says I should get 11 hours between the end of one shift and the start of the next. Sure, it was out by 30 minutes, but it was still technically illegal hours.

    We also had to stick a code into the phone system to say if we were peeing or writing down info from the last call. We get 14 minutes a day to pee. The manager smoked so naturally people that smoked got extra breaks if they whined about it.

    That's reality.

    Why did I stay - I needed the money of course. As soon as I could afford to leave, I got my ass out. Actually, that's not true - I have a lot of debt from leaving because the morals and morale went out the window quick. That's for another day.

  • (cs)

    Family business. Stay well away... They are running all businesses as if they own a restaurant.

  • (cs) in reply to Paolo G
    Paolo G:
    Are employee rights practically non-existent in the US? Here in the UK, we get all sorts of protection in law that would mean there is no way any boss could legally act in the way described in the original post or some of the replies.
    1) Just because something is the law, doesn't mean everybody follows it. Have you ever gone over the speed limit? 2) This is The Daily WTF. It's not The Daily Quite A Nice Company To Work For, Actually. Most companies follow sane rules, and treat their people respectfully. It's just that you'll only read about the assholes here.
  • Bai Shen (unregistered) in reply to wee

    I had a job like that. Then my supervisor started bitching at me for leaving exactly at five.

    She just didn't get it at all. Thankfully that place is a distant memory.

  • Secretary of Dress Code (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    Ugh, he thought, wondering if his suit was in presentable shape.
    What the heck did he wear to the interview?
    Next to nothing. That's why he got a glowing recommendation from the secretary, and was offered the job.
  • PotatoEngineer (unregistered) in reply to Bappi
    Bappi:
    Paolo G:
    Are employee rights practically non-existent in the US? Here in the UK, we get all sorts of protection in law that would mean there is no way any boss could legally act in the way described in the original post or some of the replies.
    1) Just because something is the law, doesn't mean everybody follows it. Have you ever gone over the speed limit? 2) This is The Daily WTF. It's not The Daily Quite A Nice Company To Work For, Actually. Most companies follow sane rules, and treat their people respectfully. It's just that you'll only read about the assholes here.
    On that note, for everyone who calls BS: there are a LOT of companies out there. There are many managers & employees & HR drones & CEOs and other people at these companies. Being human, they're not all logical. I find it hard to absolutely say that ANY of these stories are false (aside from the anonymization), because in a sufficiently large random sample, you'll get some outliers.
  • (cs) in reply to SomeCoder
    SomeCoder:
    That hasn't been my experience. Almost all programmers I know work for companies that are software companies.

    You don't have much experience, then. <g>

    Common sense should tell you that, since there are a whole lot more programmers than there are positions at software companies, the majority of programmers must work at non-software companies. You know, like in banking, trading, medical, insurance, energy, and all those other companies that employ more programmers? Or governmental agencies? Or the military? Or publishing and graphics?

    Programming jobs in software companies are a lot fewer than you seem to think. Even in heavily focused software companies, the support staff usually outnumber the developers; MS, for example, has a lot more sales and support staff, design people, marketing, etc. than they have actual code writers.

  • Steve (unregistered) in reply to Rodyland
    Rodyland:
    Maybe it's just me, but when I encounter something like that I get an incredible urge to do some "agressive obedience".

    I'd be punching in and out dozens and dozens of times per day, 1 second out each time. "Got up to go to the toilet, punched out, then changed my mind". "Got up to get a drink, punched out, then realised I had a drink in my briefcase". You get the idea - try and break the system from within.

    I'd also be taking notes and reporting them to relevant authorities for violations of labour laws and OHS and whatnot.

    Oh, and I'd be looking for a new job almost immediately.

    punched out to pick up coffee cup. took sip. put cup back down. punched in....

  • (cs)

    We have some dumb system that we use for clock punches.

    The real WTF was all the holes we punched in it. A SQL injection + database error exposure bug had us with "sa" access on the server in 30 minutes--and I actually tore the knee in my pants when I fell down due to laughing so hard. (That was fixed in 3 days.)

    The system rounds to the nearest 15 minutes. So if you're going to be 8 minutes late, you might as well be 22 minutes late.

    The system automatically deducts 30 minutes for lunch (so you stay punched over lunch, and work 8:30 and it counts for 8:00.) This is fine, but if you punch out, go home, and punch back in because someone called you, the system assumes you clocked out for lunch and gives you your thirty minutes back.

  • André (unregistered)
    Todd D.:
    On his way out, he suggested his boss do something anatomically impossible.
    "Go lick your elbows!"

    Hm, no, that wasn't it, was it?

  • (cs) in reply to MTS
    MTS:
    Dude, nobody wears suits to interviews anymore. I haven't worn a suit to an interview since 1990.

    Suits aren't usually required when you're interviewing for janitor.

    Those of us applying for professional jobs, though, still wear suits to interviews.

  • (cs) in reply to Brad I
    Brad I:
    I think it looks fake too... Otherwise, it's a management nightmare. Are they going to position managers at bathroom doors to take note of who punched out? They can't give the guy a pen without having him wait in line on Wednesdays?

    I know there are sadistic managers out there, but this system would create MORE work for them. Thus, makes it very unlikely.

    But micro-managers don't mind the extra work, as long as they are fully in control of everything. I know; I worked for one for a month that replaced a retiring director. He went so far as to require you to inform him personally when on your way out of the building for lunch and when you came back, so he knew you didn't use more time than allowed.

    A manager in another department where I work now tried to have his staff request permission to use the restroom, because he thought they were going too often. Didn't take long for someone with some sense to put a stop to that, though.

  • Asiago Chow (unregistered) in reply to sewiv
    sewiv:
    When I was a sysadmin at a small-ish ISP (20 employees), the boss decided that it was too much money to have movers move the office about a mile and a half. He just casually announced (on Monday) that everyone would be required to help move the office furniture (cubes and everything) to the new location all weekend long. All of us were salaried workers.

    An employer of mine did the same thing. Boss told all the employees (programmers, et cetera) they had to come in over a weekend and move the office.

    I have no idea how it worked out. I didn't go along with them. There were "words said" about that but what were they going to do?

  • (cs) in reply to Aumatar
    Aumatar:
    Its a civilized world thing. West coast doesn't do suits.

    FTFY. <g>

  • some dumb engineer (unregistered) in reply to Schmitter
    Schmitter:
    I don't smoke cigarettes, but at work periodically I will hang out outside for 10 minutes or so taking my "smoke break". If I can't enjoy my hour plus long CIO Italia Piazza, I will at least tell good stories with my Marlboro friends. Just because I am a non smoker doesn't mean I shouldn't have as many breaks as they do.

    I refer to this as a second hand smoke break.

  • (cs) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    T604:
    "Also, if you're salaried, and they start telling you to "punch out" to go to the bathroom, head for the door and don't look back."

    I thought this was illegal. I'm pretty sure for every 4 hours you work in the US they are required to give you a 15 minute break on the clock.

    I forget where I read it, but apparently it's NOT required if you are on salary. They don't need to give you a break.

    Then you need to change the locations you get your information, because this is wrong. US Federal labor laws require a 15 minute break (with pay) for every four hour period worked. There are no qualifications such as "if you are not salaried" or "if your boss is a control freak".

    The same laws require you to be given a lunch break, although without pay.

  • (cs) in reply to SuperousOxide
    SuperousOxide:
    I know I've interviewed without a suit in New York City (and got the job). I wouldn't exactly call that Outer Podunk.

    But subway conductors aren't in the same category as professional staff, are they? Apples and oranges.

  • steve (unregistered) in reply to bob
    bob:
    snoofle:
    ChiefCrazyTalk:
    WhiskeyJack:
    Even after I'd given my formal notice, I found that my boss had scheduled me in for the following week. The nice guy that I am, I came in and worked it anyway.
    And that, ladies and gentlement, is the REAL WTF.
    Unless, of course, he needed the money, didn't yet have another job, and/or his start date was a ways off, in which case his boss inadvertently did him a favor.
    In Canada you have to give two weeks notice and are required to work those two weeks. Also the company is required to pay for two weeks if they fire you. That's why he was scheduled for the next week after quitting.
    BUZZ, wrong. An employer is forced to give two weeks notice unless sufficient cause (you did something illegal, enough written warnings on file etc), otherwise there can be recourse.

    As an employee, it is customary to give two weeks notice, but no mandatory and there is no legal recourse. I've quite a few times where I said, "Nope, not gonna put up with that. I quit." Then walked out. Then I later followed up with a proper letter of resignation.

    If you are a contract worker it is entirely different (as there is a binding contract), but still no 2 weeks rule.

    Read the labour code. It's online. You can claim it's work related.

  • (cs) in reply to Rand
    Rand:
    However, I also call bullshit on the notion that this site could be sued for posting the name. IANAL, but consider that:

    Ok, let's see:

    Rand:
    1] I assume the work site is in the US. Since TDWTF is also located in the US, there's no standing to sue in a foreign country.

    So the work site is in the US and TDWTF is in the US. Who said anything about "standing to sue in a foreign country" in the first place?

    Rand:
    2] US Safe Harbor protects this site from being sued for content posted by users.

    Don't quit your day job. Hopefully, that day job doesn't require any logical thought.

    All of your diatribe fails to take into consideration the fact that Alex owns this website, and Jake (acting as Alex's agent) is the one that posted the story. The story was sent to him by a reader, and Alex's agent decided to post it.

    Being able to reason that out means that you would have been able to save yourself all of that typing, and therefore not embarrassed yourself.

    Rand:
    3] Even if Safe Harbor did not apply, the site has affirmative defenses to a lawsuit; truth (assuming it is true) and journalistic privilege. The plaintiff would also have to prove damages.

    So, if this site wants to take "the high road" and keep things anonymous, then that's fine; but let's not pretend that there's any potential liability here. The worst that could happen for the site is that the site could be issued subpoena for the identity of the poster. The poster himself could be sued, but again see #3 above. I seriously doubt a small family shop could afford to pursue such a case when it has no chance at winning.

    Like I said, let's hope your day job doesn't require logical or rational thought. Whether it's true or not, the lawsuit can still be filed and therefore has to be defended. Legal fees are typically pretty high, even when you're defending yourself against BS. And, again, Alex's agent is the poster here, because Alex's agent (and not some random user) decided to publish the article.

    Nice try, though. You get a D- for thought process, but an A for effort.

  • (cs) in reply to Casey
    Casey:
    sloppy dresser = sloppy coder

    If you don't care how you look, why would you care how your code looks?

    First of all, who says that casual dresser = sloppy dresser? I dress casually every single day, in jeans and sneakers. I don't wear tattered sneakers, socks with holes, or ripped and stained jeans. I shower daily, shave and comb my hair, and wear deodorant. I've never had anyone complain that I looked sloppy, even when meeting outside vendors or corporate staff.

    Perhaps you're just a sloppy coder, and are hoping your sloppy dress explains it away.

  • Mark (unregistered) in reply to Brad I
    Brad I:
    I think it looks fake too... Otherwise, it's a management nightmare. Are they going to position managers at bathroom doors to take note of who punched out? They can't give the guy a pen without having him wait in line on Wednesdays?

    I know there are sadistic managers out there, but this system would create MORE work for them. Thus, makes it very unlikely.

    That's hilarious. Are you saying the story's fake because it shows managements' incompetence as creating more work for its employees?

    I'm literally laughing.

  • dossen (unregistered) in reply to vt_mruhlin
    vt_mruhlin:
    Yes. I used to work at a bank. It was hell. Shoulder height cube walls, boss constantly looking over your shoulder, almost all web sites blocked (no idea why they blocked gmail, but not Fark or WTF). My first warning sign was that during the post-interview lunch, the HR person said, "and we get to wear jeans on Friday!" and all the other candidates were just as excited.

    I never should have taken the job, but felt more desperate than I reasonably should have been. Got out of there as soon as I found a better one, and haven't looked back.

    I'm continually fascinated by the conditions that people accept to work under.

    I'm likewise working development at a bank. And that's where the similarity ends: I am currently sitting in my office (I have to share with three other developers, but it's an actual office with a door and windows to the outside) wearing shorts, t-shirt, and bare feet (my sandals are only needed when going outside). I came in at 9:00 and while I haven't left yet (wanted to read this) I put down 17:30 as quiting time - we're on 36 hours a week flexi-time (have to be there from 10-15 and make the 36 on average).

    I did once wear a suit and tie - but that was for an orientation event, where we visited the headquarters and met the CEO, but of my own choice.

  • (cs) in reply to snoofle
    snoofle:
    Oh, and can we please get a description of Todd's anatomically impossible suggestion?

    I would assume it would be to go copulate with his self.

  • Francisco (unregistered) in reply to Mr. Not Sure
    Mr. Not Sure:
    So, who's the author of this third person tale. You can tell it's not that company or Todd. Maybe some fly on every wall where Todd goes. But 17 people commented as if it could be true. Anyone who thinks this is a true tale is too stupid to have a job. And, you can bet they read the article from their job.

    I unfortunately read all sent to me. And, it makes me wonder how a paid employee has time to find this crap; and, send it to me, at my job, as if I don't have a full and productive schedule.

    I'm reading this at home and I'm sure Todd could have written the piece at home. If I were in Todd's position, which I'm not, I would write from home as I wouldn't want my company to know it was me.

    By the tone of your post, I get the impression that you're reading WTF on company time?

  • Francisco (unregistered) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    Mr. Not Sure:
    So, who's the author of this third person tale. You can tell it's not that company or Todd. Maybe some fly on every wall where Todd goes. But 17 people commented as if it could be true. Anyone who thinks this is a true tale is too stupid to have a job. And, you can bet they read the article from their job.

    I unfortunately read all sent to me. And, it makes me wonder how a paid employee has time to find this crap; and, send it to me, at my job, as if I don't have a full and productive schedule.

    So you're chewing out the author of this tale because you're sitting there, on the clock, reading everything that comes down the RSS pipe to you, and you're too busy with your work and schedule and what-all to waste your time on bad stories? Wow... just, wow.

    The company I work for at the moment is a call centre outsource provider. We have a dress code, including the agents, as clients/prospective clients may turn up at any time to check out the place.

  • Francisco (unregistered) in reply to Brad I
    Brad I:
    Sued for what? It wouldn't be disclosing trade secrets or anything. Did someone sign a contract that said they'd never disclose the company's abusive employee policies?

    Seems to me they'd want to keep that type of information out of the courts and public record.

    The only reason for someone to get sued is if the story isn't true.

    Or if they can't PROVE it's true.

    Furthermore, once the details become public, the company would probably make allegations against Todd (whether or not they're true) so any company employing Todd now would have second thoughts...

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