• Your Name (unregistered)

    Did someone forget to close thier

    tag? There's a whole pharagraph missing.

  • Your Name (unregistered) in reply to Your Name

    I just can't spell today:

    "Did someone forget to close their

    tag? There's a whole paragraph missing."

  • Raw (unregistered)

    Could you format a remote device? Delete files, sure, but format?

  • Derp (unregistered) in reply to Raw
    Raw:
    Could you format a remote device? Delete files, sure, but format?

    Furthermore, if a device can be formatted remotely, why can't it be scanned for malware remotely?

  • Code Slave (cs)

    Harrumph

    The first time I heard this story (I think on Alt.Sysadmin.Recovery), the author had feigned not having an floppy drive, because it was hidden behind a sliding door on the case (but it was eventually found), the Auditor was actually using a different floppy for each computer, and the author may not have gotten fired, but did receive a black-mark on their record..

  • Derp (unregistered) in reply to Derp
    Derp:
    Raw:
    Could you format a remote device? Delete files, sure, but format?

    Furthermore, if a device can be formatted remotely, why can't it be scanned for malware remotely?

    Wait, nevermind. I -just- got what "Share your floppy drive" means. I'm living up to my name.

  • Rob (unregistered) in reply to Your Name
    Your Name:
    "Did someone forget to close their

    tag? There's a whole paragraph missing."

    For the want of a right-bracket, the post was lost...

    CAPTCHA: validus, which the HTML on this post isn't. :)

  • dohpaz42 (cs) in reply to Derp
    Derp:
    Raw:
    Could you format a remote device? Delete files, sure, but format?

    Furthermore, if a device can be formatted remotely, why can't it be scanned for malware remotely?

    But then the auditor would miss out on the fun of watching all of the employees squirm, groan, and make up excuses for why they failed the audit. Even auditors just want to have fun!

  • lindee (unregistered)

    surely you meant 'to "oversea" the transition'.

  • Bob (unregistered)

    Best WTF evah! Particularly, like the ending.

  • no2trolls (unregistered)

    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to no2trolls
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    Agreed! Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.

  • Carl (unregistered) in reply to no2trolls
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    TRWTF is claiming the lunch and breaks are "company time."

  • frits (cs)

    If the Auditor tried to get me fired, I'm pretty sure I'd shove a Bangalore torpedo where the rainbows never shine.

  • Mike (unregistered)

    1997, an era of before thumb-drives and when Quake was the best deathmatch money could buy

    And today, the best deathmatch money can buy is... ?

  • MrB (unregistered)

    Please... in 1997 Bangalore was nothing more than a dot on the map - let us not take the Bangalore-bashing too far :-)

    [A Bangalore lover]

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    Agreed! Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.

    The real WTF is siding with the company that is exporting their jobs.

  • dpm (cs) in reply to Code Slave
    Code Slave:
    The first time I heard this story (I think on Alt.Sysadmin.Recovery), the author {blah blah blah}
    Sounds like a different story, but apparently you consider that an impossibility.
  • hoodaticus (cs) in reply to anon

    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
  • BobTheBuilder (unregistered) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    Agreed! Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.

    Here's what you need to understand: we didn't offshore all these jobs so that things would be done right. We offshored them knowing full well you'd fuck them up just as badly as Americans. But it would cost less. Now, you go and work twice as hard, and so you fuck twice as much stuff up. It means we have to revisit our cost/benefit calculations, and maybe bring those jobs back to America. So do yourself and your country a favor. Don't work so hard.

  • n_a (unregistered)

    And... what is the WTF of this article, exactly?

  • boog (cs)

    I wonder what happened when the auditor returned to start the audit over and found that every single computer that had "malware" before was now clean.

    ...the audit had been little more than an attempt to shrink the department down before everyone was laid off.
    Oh, that explains it.
  • Larry (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism
  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.

    Making such generic comments make me laugh out loud.

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    1997, an era of before thumb-drives and when Quake was the best deathmatch money could buy

    And today, the best deathmatch money can buy is... ?

    Unreal Tournament. Yes, twelve years later, it's still the best.

  • boog (cs) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.
    What do you expect? You do sub-standard work, you work twice as hard for twice as much time.
  • anon (unregistered) in reply to Larry
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

  • boog (cs) in reply to anon
    anon:
    Unreal Tournament. Yes, twelve years later, it's still the best.
    That's funny, most of the UT guys I remember only converted to it after having their asses handed to them repeatedly in Quake.
  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to BobTheBuilder
    BobTheBuilder:
    Nagesh:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    Agreed! Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.

    Here's what you need to understand: we didn't offshore all these jobs so that things would be done right. We offshored them knowing full well you'd fuck them up just as badly as Americans. But it would cost less. Now, you go and work twice as hard, and so you fuck twice as much stuff up. It means we have to revisit our cost/benefit calculations, and maybe bring those jobs back to America. So do yourself and your country a favor. Don't work so hard.

    This situation remind me of Kipling. He was the one who wrote in a poem.

    :The East is East and the West is West and the Twain shalt never meet:

    We will always have our differences. Unfortunately giving it some label like racism is not going to resolve issues.

  • CT (unregistered)

    "It was late Decemeber, 1997, an era of before thumb-drives and when Quake was the best deathmatch money could buy."

    Pretty sure that's still the best deathmatch money can buy.

  • by (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.

    You're wrong! Wrong, wrong, WRONG!

    It's: Indian Code == Shit

  • hoodaticus (cs) in reply to anon
    anon:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

    TRWTF is the over-use of the racism charge. That word means nothing anymore. Kiss my black ass.

    P.S. - If I said British code was shit, would you call me a racist?

  • LANMind (unregistered) in reply to Carl
    Carl:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    TRWTF is claiming the lunch and breaks are "company time."

    No shit, huh?

  • boog (cs) in reply to CT
    CT:
    "It was late Decemeber, 1997, an era of before thumb-drives and when Quake was the best deathmatch money could buy."

    Pretty sure that's still the best deathmatch money can buy.

    QFT

  • by (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    anon:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

    TRWTF is the over-use of the racism charge. That word means nothing anymore. Kiss my black ass.

    THIS * 100 ^^

    Racism has nothing to do with it... If the developers from the outsourcing firms were swedish, they would still be mocked for creating sub-standard garbage code. It's just that those indian shops use slave labor, and pay terrible wages... You get what you pay for. I've seen the same here (US): lower wage developer will (usually) be less talented than a developer getting 90-100k. You want to find a "senior" developer with 15 years industry experience for 60k? Good luck with that...

  • trtrwtf (unregistered) in reply to no2trolls
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    ...he typed, and returned to roaming the endless wasteland of the world-wide-whatever. Later, he'd get back to work, perhaps, for a a little while, but in the meantime his employer's internet connection and his employer's computer would be used only for snarking at people on The Daily WTF and perhaps correcting some poor fool's misconceptions over on the xkcd forums.

    Life was good.

  • LANMind (unregistered) in reply to Larry
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    It's fucking difficult to make a great program when both the developer and the stakeholder speak the same language. TRWTF is the end user.

  • error_NoError (cs)

    I don't get the whole formatting the floppy part, what did that have to do with stopping the auditor from scanning their computer? The article mentions a "DOS prompt" and a mouse which in 1997 would suggest they were running a hard disk based OS like Windows 95. Even Quake is too large to fit on a floppy, so I don't get what would have been on the floppy for them to destroy to keep the auditor from finding anything.

  • boog (cs) in reply to error_NoError
    error_NoError:
    I don't get the whole formatting the floppy part, what did that have to do with stopping the auditor from scanning their computer? The article mentions a "DOS prompt" and a mouse which in 1997 would suggest they were running a hard disk based OS like Windows 95. Even Quake is too large to fit on a floppy, so I don't get what would have been on the floppy for them to destroy to keep the auditor from finding anything.
    Surely you can't be serious.
  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to LANMind
    LANMind:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    It's fucking difficult to make a great program when both the developer and the stakeholder speak the same language. TRWTF is the end user.

    Kudos on for same language comment. Also hidden agenda at client place keeps us from making good code. Client want everything faster and cheaper. So nothing good coming out of it. Sweat shop is too harsh. We are working in air-conditioned comfort over here. 24 hours electricity at office, unlike our homes.

  • Bryan the K (unregistered)

    I was hoping for ponies today and I wasn't let down.

    /The real WTF is that I check the source code before I read the article

  • hoodaticus (cs) in reply to trtrwtf
    trtrwtf:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    ...he typed, and returned to roaming the endless wasteland of the world-wide-whatever. Later, he'd get back to work, perhaps, for a a little while, but in the meantime his employer's internet connection and his employer's computer would be used only for snarking at people on The Daily WTF and perhaps correcting some poor fool's misconceptions over on the xkcd forums.

    Life was good.

    +10 Very nicely done!

    Now, for the 75% of us who are on salary, there is no division of "my time" and "company time". It's all company time. We just make sure our jobs get done - and well - and we're good. No need to worry about playing Quake or watching South Park in the office. In my case, no need to worry about the six bottles of high-dollar tequila in my cabinets either.

    It's more about office politics than anything else at this point.

  • Senior Swede (unregistered) in reply to by
    by:
    hoodaticus:
    anon:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

    TRWTF is no understanding what "racism" means. That word means nothing anymore. Kiss my black ass.

    THIS * 100 ^^

    Racism has nothing to do with it... If the developers from the outsourcing firms were swedish, they would still be mocked for creating sub-standard garbage code. It's just that those indian shops use slave labor, and pay terrible wages... You get what you pay for. I've seen the same here (US): lower wage developer will (usually) be less talented than a developer getting 90-100k. You want to find a "senior" developer with 15 years industry experience for 60k? Good luck with that...

    FTFY. People don't understand what racism is, and think it's just white folks giving black folks a hard time. Slowly, that's starting to include those of Hispanic origin. That's not it either. Racism is the mindset that "we" are inherently better than "them" at x. That means saying that blacks are better runners is racism. That means that Mexicans are better lovers is racism. That means that saying "white men can't jump" is racism. I've noticed the tendency for it to be "okay" to make fun of Indians (MetroPCS,Outsourced I'm looking at you), just as it was previously funny to make fun of Chinese. And blacks. And Irishmen. And Native Americans. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean that your kids won't someday call you a racist *****.

  • hoodaticus (cs) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    LANMind:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    It's fucking difficult to make a great program when both the developer and the stakeholder speak the same language. TRWTF is the end user.

    Kudos on for same language comment. Also hidden agenda at client place keeps us from making good code. Client want everything faster and cheaper. So nothing good coming out of it. Sweat shop is too harsh. We are working in air-conditioned comfort over here. 24 hours electricity at office, unlike our homes.

    The typical "Elite" American programmer starts writing code at home as a child. Not having 24-hour electricity could put a little crimp in that.

  • Senior Newb (unregistered)

    Has anyone with scripting turned on checked out what happens when you click on the INFRACTION LOGGED words in the article? It made me laugh. =)

    btw, check out the page source, the comments inside the article are funny too!

  • hoodaticus (cs) in reply to Senior Swede
    Senior Swede:
    by:
    hoodaticus:
    anon:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

    TRWTF is no understanding what "racism" means. That word means nothing anymore. Kiss my black ass.

    THIS * 100 ^^

    Racism has nothing to do with it... If the developers from the outsourcing firms were swedish, they would still be mocked for creating sub-standard garbage code. It's just that those indian shops use slave labor, and pay terrible wages... You get what you pay for. I've seen the same here (US): lower wage developer will (usually) be less talented than a developer getting 90-100k. You want to find a "senior" developer with 15 years industry experience for 60k? Good luck with that...

    FTFY. People don't understand what racism is, and think it's just white folks giving black folks a hard time. Slowly, that's starting to include those of Hispanic origin. That's not it either. Racism is the mindset that "we" are inherently better than "them" at x. That means saying that blacks are better runners is racism. That means that Mexicans are better lovers is racism. That means that saying "white men can't jump" is racism. I've noticed the tendency for it to be "okay" to make fun of Indians (MetroPCS,Outsourced I'm looking at you), just as it was previously funny to make fun of Chinese. And blacks. And Irishmen. And Native Americans. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean that your kids won't someday call you a racist *****.

    By your definition of racism, practically anything is racist. If I said the average Indian is better at basketball than the average Paraplegic, you would see that as racism.

    You fail. And I couldn't care less what anyone calls me.

  • frits (cs) in reply to trtrwtf
    trtrwtf:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    ...he typed, and returned to roaming the endless wasteland of the world-wide-whatever. Later, he'd get back to work, perhaps, for a a little while, but in the meantime his employer's internet connection and his employer's computer would be used only for snarking at people on The Daily WTF and perhaps correcting some poor fool's misconceptions over on the xkcd forums.

    Life was good.

    If I could blue this comment, I wood.

  • frits (cs) in reply to Senior Swede
    Senior Swede:
    by:
    hoodaticus:
    anon:
    Larry:
    hoodaticus:
    You're saying TRWTF is free markets? Which side of supply and demand offends thee?

    The way to keep jobs from going to India is to let them go ahead and go to India. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and in this case, the outsourcer will learn its lesson:

    Indian Code = Shit.
    TRWTF is racism

    Really. There's plenty of Indian programmers who are quite talented. I've worked with more than a few. None of them work for outsourcing shops, though. Outsourcing shops invariably contain the dregs of the industry no matter what country you put them in. (True story: the new Gawker layout comes from a Turkish outsourcing shop. I rest my case.)

    TRWTF is no understanding what "racism" means. That word means nothing anymore. Kiss my black ass.

    THIS * 100 ^^

    Racism has nothing to do with it... If the developers from the outsourcing firms were swedish, they would still be mocked for creating sub-standard garbage code. It's just that those indian shops use slave labor, and pay terrible wages... You get what you pay for. I've seen the same here (US): lower wage developer will (usually) be less talented than a developer getting 90-100k. You want to find a "senior" developer with 15 years industry experience for 60k? Good luck with that...

    FTFY. People don't understand what racism is, and think it's just white folks giving black folks a hard time. Slowly, that's starting to include those of Hispanic origin. That's not it either. Racism is the mindset that "we" are inherently better than "them" at x. That means saying that blacks are better runners is racism. That means that Mexicans are better lovers is racism. That means that saying "white men can't jump" is racism. I've noticed the tendency for it to be "okay" to make fun of Indians (MetroPCS,Outsourced I'm looking at you), just as it was previously funny to make fun of Chinese. And blacks. And Irishmen. And Native Americans. That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean that your kids won't someday call you a racist *****.

    Hispanics = people of Spanish origin = white (at least partially).

    I agree with your analysis. However, I'd like to point out that racism is tribalism and tribalism is the natural human condition. It's how we won against the Neanderthals, Homo Erectus, and all those other Homos.

    BTW- I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying natural selection has bred the instinct into us and it takes rational thought and a progressive society to overcome racism.

  • by (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    trtrwtf:
    no2trolls:
    TRWTF is that we are supposed to feel sympathetic towards these people who were wasting their company's time/money by playing games in the office

    ...he typed, and returned to roaming the endless wasteland of the world-wide-whatever. Later, he'd get back to work, perhaps, for a a little while, but in the meantime his employer's internet connection and his employer's computer would be used only for snarking at people on The Daily WTF and perhaps correcting some poor fool's misconceptions over on the xkcd forums.

    Life was good.

    If I could blue this comment, I wood.

    heh, heh... you said wood... :)

    This comment will be deleted in 5, 4, 3, 2...

  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to boog
    boog:
    Nagesh:
    Also the people in bangalore are working twice as hard and staying overtime to help the client. I feel sorry for them. My situation is not much different.
    What do you expect? You do sub-standard work, you work twice as hard for twice as much time.

    What you claim sub-standard is not same claim as client. Client happy with work. satisfied customer and delighted customer make up your revenue. :catgrin:

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