• Mike (unregistered)

    "TRWTF here of course is SAP. How they're still in business, it boggles the mind."

    True... the wonderful world of SAP, where numerical fields have leading zeros, and writing any interface or export/import is an exercise in futility. WTF is up with that?? At least, the version at my last employer did... thank god I left.

    Just wait until the upgrade happens... which in SAP terms, will require boatloads of consultants, months of planning, months of "implementation", changes to the business processes, fixes, post-implementation follow-up, and then planning for the next upgrade to fix what doesn't work in the existing version. Oh, and the inevitable outages and architecture changes to the infrastructure.

    Sometimes it's just easier to put quarters in a slot for the laundry machine to work, no? ;-)

  • elb01 (unregistered) in reply to snoofle
    snoofle:
    Quango:
    deekay:
    German's ...

    b) Drop the apostrophe

    So "German's" becomes "German,s"?

    (I'm feeling giddy today)

    Drop ze apostrophe und schtep avay from ze keybordt.

  • My Name (unregistered) in reply to boots
    boots:
    From the rank young folks at MIT, apparently too busy inventing the future to do laundry:

    4 dryers have been used today, but only 1 washing machine...

    It's a magical machine. If your shirt is dripping from sweat, just insert it into the magical machine and you will no longer have a wet shirt

  • Christian (unregistered) in reply to Christian
    Christian:
    Hahaha

    This is definitely something I can relate to. I work as an IT-administrator at another Norwegian student dormitory.

    We have the same system, and the only solution for us was to hack the system and extract data from it!

    We dropped all the reservation and 20-char username nonsense and made our own system.

    We provide our tenants with a live overview of which machines are available. The system is also integrated with the accounting system, and you can actually se WHO is using each machine. (I believe we use the same accounting system as Sogn..) This is WAY better than the reservation scheme, and it works great :D

    Check it out here: http://www.bsn.no/portal/vaskeri

    All the machines communicate through UDP packages on a local network. They send out status packets every 30 seconds, and we managed to reverse engineer the proprietary miele protocol :)

    Oh, btw. Laundry machine systems aren't the only systems governed by stupidity and inflexibility. We have a system for remote reading of all the electricity meters. This "automated" system had to go through a guy with a spreadsheet and manual typos at the system "integrator" before we hacked it. We hacked the rs232 protocol it uses, and can now make cool features with that system as well :D

    Happy Hacking!

    • Christian
    Oh, forgot to mention that the accounting is also equally inflexible, and also had to be hacked :) We have to hack everything :p
  • Tom Woolf (unregistered)

    I miss my college's high tech washers and dryers. They used these mystical disks called "coins", some of which were "quarters" (although they were whole disks) and "dimes". An alternate method if the mystical disks were not available was to take a sturdy paper clip (MS's assistant was useful for something many years ago), straighten it out, then create an "L" shape at the end with the legs of the "L" being the diameter of the disks. Stick that "L" into the disk slot and go to town.

  • tm (unregistered) in reply to krupa
    krupa:
    True, coin-operated machines suffer mechanical failures in the coin-accepter. And yes, people will try to steal the money either directly or just try to steal washes with fake coins.

    But at the same time, how many more points-of-failure do you introduce by (and I can't believe I'm saying this phrase) networking your washing machines?

    That's a valid point. However, those points have proven to be quite robust, and since they are quite important for many other things as well, the parties responsible will scramble to fix them quickly. Even on holidays, unlike the coin machine repairs :-)

    krupa:
    Also, how much personal information do they need to store on a server somewhere in order to properly charge you?
    One can always get an anonymous pre-paid cell phone, if one is paranoid enough...
    krupa:
    It's probably more convenient to you, the customer, to call your washing machine but does that really make it 'better'?
    Of course :-)
  • moz (unregistered) in reply to helix
    helix:
    why quarter fed machines in Oslo?
    Because, for every inadequate attempt to solve a technical problem someone at a company dreams up, there is a person on this web site who is able to think of a solution which is even worse, and is keen to share it with the group.
  • (cs) in reply to boots
    boots:
    From the rank young folks at MIT, apparently too busy inventing the future to do laundry: 
     Fry (Dryer 1) has been off for 6 hours.

    Leela (Dryer 2) has been off for 55 minutes. Bender (Dryer 3) has been off for 56 minutes. Zoidberg (Dryer 4) has been off for 4 hours. Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 66 days. Meatwad (Washer 2) has been off for 96 days. Shake (Washer 3) has been off for 80 minutes.

    4 dryers have been used today, but only 1 washing machine...

    Dryers take FOREVER if you pack as many clothes into them as college students pack into washers. A wash cycle always takes the same amount of time, even if it doesn't really wash the clothes because they are packed solid. So all those students are packing the washing machine with 3x the clothes that are supposed to be in it, washing for fixed 20 minutes, then having to dry for 2.5 hours!

    ... not that I ever did that, or anything

    WPI has a (working!) laundry network system (laundryview.com), it would detect what school you were from by using the IP range you came from and give a list of available laundry rooms for that school. If you knew the laundry room ID code you could get to the page for that laundry room from an offcampus IP as well; and they actually did use IPs rather than reverse DNS (I know this because I had my PTR records set to my own domain and it still worked.) I know for a fact that it worked properly with Firefox (on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD/amd64), MSIE, Opera, and Konqueror. The payment system was to either use quarters or to go to the accounting office and put a deposit of cash on your student ID card, which then could be used to run the washing machines. Just before I graduated they upgraded it to use a 3d representation of the laundry room done with flash, but if you did not have flash installed it would automatically fall back to standard HTML+CSS. Pretty neat, really.

  • Zer0 (unregistered) in reply to Lon Wett
    Lon Wett:
    I am really getting tired of self-appointed petty bureaucrats dictating that Mac users (true, less than 50% of the population, so who really cares) Linux users (OK, less than 5%) and Windows users with clue enough to stay clear of MSIE (0.5%? because if you have clue, why are you on Windows in the first place?) will be blocked from participating in an increasingly digital life. I mean, really, W. T. F. are you thinking? Do we have to resort to flogging you in the public square or what? It is far past time to put a painful end to this nonsense!

    I'm on Windows because development of high-performance multi-threaded (manycore support) applications is incredibly faster than on any other platform.

    Oh, and I'm a gamer. Ha.

  • iMalc (unregistered)

    Ooooh password protect appliances! Is it weird that I strangely feel the need to have them?

    Er yes that was sarcasm..

  • Jason (unregistered)

    "Organized protest groups are generally considered a sign of bad usability..."

    Man, Facebook must be HORRIBLY unusable then.

  • (cs) in reply to Jason
    Jason:
    "Organized protest groups are generally considered a sign of bad usability..."

    Man, Facebook must be HORRIBLY unusable then.

    It is!!

    Just because people use it doesn't mean it is usable, nor even worth using.

  • (cs) in reply to Neil
    Neil:
    I cry foul about these supposed Mac users - they can afford a $3,000 laptop, but still live in the dorms?
    Well, of course! They live in the dorms because they spent all their money on the laptops...
  • (cs) in reply to Alistair Wall
    Alistair Wall:
    There are 29 letters in the Norwegian alphabet. Redoing the subsequent calculations is left as an exercise for the reader.
    Gah, that means you've got to discriminate between O, 0, and Ø?
  • (cs) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    Yeah, customers digging for money in a bag is an annoyance (why not have it out and ready when you give the order?) but if the store has keypads for debit cards, that's quicker because there's no wait while the cashier counts out the change.
    You might think so, but no. In normal circumstances, cash is fastest. Cards (all of which are about the same) are much slower because of the amount of time spent on verification of the card.
  • Chris (unregistered) in reply to Martin Milan
    Martin Milan:
    Chill out dude. I'm thinking that practically everyone has access to a Windows machine somewhere nearby, so why should I be expected to code for every oddball platform no one's ever seen before?

    No - of course you shouldn't. You shouldn't be coding for any particular platform, but rather to simply dish out lovely, clean, standards compliant HTML, CSS etc, and have it actually work on the market leading browser.

    And really, anyone who sniffs the browser to deny a user these days should be taken out and shot.

    Martin.

    This kind of pious attitude has no concept of reality. The standards are not holy scripture but, believe it or not, are written by humans who make mistakes, or miss important details that browser vendors are forced to try to interpret. For instance, you could write a fully standards compliant site and still have it fail in every single browser out there (yes, Firefox too!)

    The fact is, if you're writing web sites or web apps, the only way to make sure they work everywhere is by testing them on each and every version of every browser you want to support. This is very expensive for most companies and this is why many have chosen to pick only 1 or 2 browsers that they're willing to support.

  • (cs)

    I think students should be grateful to the University administration. When they graduate (and finally wash) they will be ready for 99% of WTFs in their jobs.

  • m0ffx (unregistered) in reply to Franz Kafka
    Franz Kafka:
    boots:
    From the rank young folks at MIT, apparently too busy inventing the future to do laundry: 
     Fry (Dryer 1) has been off for 6 hours.

    Leela (Dryer 2) has been off for 55 minutes. Bender (Dryer 3) has been off for 56 minutes. Zoidberg (Dryer 4) has been off for 4 hours. Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 66 days. Meatwad (Washer 2) has been off for 96 days. Shake (Washer 3) has been off for 80 minutes.

    4 dryers have been used today, but only 1 washing machine...

    According to guys, dry == clean.

    Or the dryers take longer than the washers. Or one wash load makes two drying loads. Or Frylock and Meatwad are broken. Or everyone knows Shake washes for free. Or...you get the point.

    Unrelated: I thought I had it bad where I am. The washing machines and dryers have coin slots, similar to those on vending machines. Now vending machines will take pretty much any combination of coins, and give change. But do these washing machines do that? No! The washing machines charge £1.20, and will ONLY accept pound coins and 20ps. The tumble dryers charge 20p for 40 minutes, and only accept 20ps. And there's no change machine either. (For Americans: UK coins are £2, £1, 50p, 20p, 10p, 5p, 2p and 1p. Most vending machines won't take the 2p and 1p but will take anything larger.) For even more infuriation, they have a ridiculous coin reject rate. Maybe 1 in 4, even 1 in 3 coins will get rejected. It will reject a coin once, then sometimes accept it on the second try. But not always. So even if I think I've got the money, it won't take it. And if say I've already inserted the pound coin, and it won't take any of my 20ps, I'm screwed. I can't even go and get change because after ten minutes it will forget all about the pound. And then there's the driers. They do dry clothes, IF THEY WANT TO. If the sensor reckons the clothes are dry, it will stop drying. Of course sometimes the sensor gets it wrong, not a major surprise. But when it's stopped drying because of the sensor, it carries on counting down the time you've paid for! You can only buy in 40 minute chunks, so if a load takes 60 minutes to try, then unless you remove it and put the next in the moment it finishes, that 20 minutes gets wasted. But there's no way to know how long it's going to take! And if it's stopped drying but the clothes are still damped, then you've basically been robbed by a drying machine.

    I'd better stop now. I have to go and do my laundry.

    /rant

  • lost in the wash (unregistered)

    There is also the United Airlines method: one stuffs the dirties into a duffle bag, and flies home with it to have Mom do the wash--a college roommate did that. Of course, boomer moms may not be as cooperative as some boomers' moms were, for one thing. For another thing, you could spend the next few semesters at Guantanamo Bay for endangering the health of the bomb dogs.

  • (cs) in reply to codeman38
    codeman38:
    Alistair Wall:
    There are 29 letters in the Norwegian alphabet. Redoing the subsequent calculations is left as an exercise for the reader.
    Gah, that means you've got to discriminate between O, 0, and Ø?
    They have Å, Æ and Ø, and they're all reckoned to be distinct letters from the 26 used in English. Danish is the same in this respect, and Swedish is very similar (except they use Å, Ä and Ö to write them).
  • (cs) in reply to Chris
    Chris:
    Martin Milan:
    Chill out dude. I'm thinking that practically everyone has access to a Windows machine somewhere nearby, so why should I be expected to code for every oddball platform no one's ever seen before?

    No - of course you shouldn't. You shouldn't be coding for any particular platform, but rather to simply dish out lovely, clean, standards compliant HTML, CSS etc, and have it actually work on the market leading browser.

    And really, anyone who sniffs the browser to deny a user these days should be taken out and shot.

    Martin.

    This kind of pious attitude has no concept of reality. The standards are not holy scripture but, believe it or not, are written by humans who make mistakes, or miss important details that browser vendors are forced to try to interpret. For instance, you could write a fully standards compliant site and still have it fail in every single browser out there (yes, Firefox too!)

    The fact is, if you're writing web sites or web apps, the only way to make sure they work everywhere is by testing them on each and every version of every browser you want to support. This is very expensive for most companies and this is why many have chosen to pick only 1 or 2 browsers that they're willing to support.

    That's all well and good, but most enterprisey software is retarded and uses gobs of custom nonsense (think ActiveX controls, browser specific scripting etc etc) that only works on IE, or they detect your user-agent and refuse to let you even try viewing the site unless you fake it. I have only seen two websites that get it "right" by covering their asses and yet allowing you to attempt to use them - I believe one was H&R Block, which has a screen right after you log in that pretty much says "sorry, your browser is not on the list of browsers we support. Here's what we support (extensive list, rather impressive), do you want to try anyways or leave?" and then has "continue" and "exit" buttons. For what it's worth, it did work quite well on Firefox 2.x running on FreeBSD 6.2/amd64, I was pleasantly surprised.

  • Lego (unregistered) in reply to Franz Kafka
    Franz Kafka:
    boots:
    From the rank young folks at MIT, apparently too busy inventing the future to do laundry: 
     Fry (Dryer 1) has been off for 6 hours.

    Leela (Dryer 2) has been off for 55 minutes. Bender (Dryer 3) has been off for 56 minutes. Zoidberg (Dryer 4) has been off for 4 hours. Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 66 days. Meatwad (Washer 2) has been off for 96 days. Shake (Washer 3) has been off for 80 minutes.

    4 dryers have been used today, but only 1 washing machine...

    According to guys, dry == clean.

    Exactly! Dry cleaning. :-)

    Never underestimate the effectiveness of a couple of dryer sheets to "freshen up" a smelly shirt that otherwise looks clean. Standard bachelor trick.

    -Lego

  • pedro (unregistered)

    Follow this link to get to an information page at the university - the link itself is a wtf http://nexus.student.no/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4r3DATJgFjuJvqRyCIG8Y5wAV-P_NxU_YDg1JzU5JKAxPRU_SCgokhzoCJTH0v9qJzU9MTkSv1gfW_9gtzQiHLndEcAiB0W2Q!!/delta/base64xml/L0lDU0lKTTd1aUNTWS9vQW9RQUFJUWdTQUFZeGpHTVl4U21BISEvNEpGaUNvMERyRTVST2dxTkM3OVlRZyEhLzdfMF9QMy8x?WCM_PORTLET=PC_7_0_P3_WCM&WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/SiO/Housing+Units/Resident/Book+a+washing+machine+and+pay+online

  • random.next (unregistered) in reply to Steve the Cynic
    Steve the Cynic:
    Duh. Of course they don't. They can't get access to the machines because they can't use Windows/IE...
    There, fixed the typo. :-)
  • (cs) in reply to Al
    Al:
    TRWTF is that you can network washing machines.

    It will be more optimal when each one has an IPv6 addy.

  • v.dog (unregistered) in reply to Zapp Brannigan
    Zapp Brannigan:
    I declare shenanigans, everyone knows that Linux users don't wash their clothes or bathe.
    And now you know why.
  • (cs) in reply to boots
    boots:
    Fry (Dryer 1) has been off for 6 hours. Leela (Dryer 2) has been off for 55 minutes. Bender (Dryer 3) has been off for 56 minutes. Zoidberg (Dryer 4) has been off for 4 hours. Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 66 days. Meatwad (Washer 2) has been off for 96 days. Shake (Washer 3) has been off for 80 minutes.

    4 dryers have been used today, but only 1 washing machine...

    7 hours ago, someone used Shake and then Fry. 5 hours ago, someone used Shake and then Zoidberg. 2 hours ago, someone used Shake and then split the load into Leela and Bender.

    (Splitting your loads across dryers saves time.)

    Alternative, less interesting explanation - someone unplugged the network cable on Frylock and Meatwad.

  • (cs) in reply to Lego
    Lego:
    Never underestimate the effectiveness of a couple of dryer sheets to "freshen up" a smelly shirt that otherwise looks clean. Standard bachelor trick.
    Well I woke up Sunday morning, With no way to hold my head that didn't hurt. And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, So I had one more for dessert. Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes, And found my cleanest dirty shirt. And I shaved my face and combed my hair, And stumbled down the stairs to meet the day. - KK
  • Americium (unregistered) in reply to helix
    helix:
    Voodoo Coder:
    This is an insane case of over engineering...

    Seriously...wtf is wrong with putting a change machine up alongside a set of reliable quarter-fed laundry machines?

    There is a serious problem with what you are doing when you need to configure your washing machine with an IP address.

    why quarter fed machines in Oslo?

    25 Euro cents is a quarter Euro. I have no idea how many Euros it takes to clean laundry in Oslo, or the Norweigen word for "quarter", but it is a valid concept.

  • (cs) in reply to Americium
    Americium:
    25 Euro cents is a quarter Euro.
    Arithmetically, yes, but there's no 25 Lepta coin in Euroland, so quarter-fed washing machines would be kind of out of place there.
    Americium:
    I have no idea how many Euros it takes to clean laundry in Oslo,
    None, zero, null. Norge still has kroner. Those Vikings were clever enough to stay out of the EU.
    Americium:
    or the Norwegian word for "quarter", but it is a valid concept.
    I don't know that word either, but the smallest coin is 50 øre, so it's not a valid concept there.
  • Sam (unregistered) in reply to Sven
    Sven:
    No:
    "as a 20 character username will handle 10^28 users."

    uh ok so I guess this is a numeric username (thus 10 digits)? But a 20 character username, assuming only numbers, would only handle 10^20 users, not 10^28.

    A 20 character username, with only uppercase LETTERS, as the post said, would allow 26^20 possibilities, which equals approximately 10^28.

    <snip>

    If it was only upercase letters why was there confusion wuth 0 and O, 1 and l ??

    Must be upercase letters and numbers

    --pedantic Sam

  • (cs) in reply to amischiefr
    amischiefr:
    "Slowly, the inhabitants were able to access their laundry accounts, except of course for Mac/Linux users who now could be recognized by the swarm of flies surrounding them."

    That's what you get for being one of those stuck up "my mac is so cool, I'm so hip cause I have a mac" college students. Conform like the rest of us!!!

    The Mac users won't do laundry, anyways. They'll just buy a new shirt. Sure, it's not really new, it's the same shirt. But this one has a world-shatteringly new [strike]feature[/strike] colored stripe down the side.

  • AndyC (unregistered) in reply to kastein
    kastein:
    That's all well and good, but most enterprisey software is retarded and uses gobs of custom nonsense (think ActiveX controls, browser specific scripting etc etc) that only works on IE, or they detect your user-agent and refuse to let you even try viewing the site unless you fake it.

    That's because, in the enterprise world, if you aren't using IE you're wasting money. None of the other major browsers (Firefox, Opera, Safari) have proper enterprise support, they can't even update themselves without administrator intervention. Epic Fail.

    No amount of freetards getting jizzy over how much more standards compliant browser X is counts for a damn out there in the real world.

  • Wearing yesterday's clothes (unregistered)

    There are very good reasons to move to a coin-free laundry room. The main one (apart from safety improvements and savings by eliminating the need for collecting the coins), as pointed out in the story, is that students can use their student ID card and put the charge on their college bill for the semester.

    Not only is this more convenient (students may not have coins on hand, but they'll always have their student ID card), but also the coins would come out of the kids' OWN money, while in many cases the college bill is paid for by their parents. Everybody wins!

  • NutDriverLefty (unregistered) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    You might think so, but no. In normal circumstances, cash is fastest.

    Up to the moment when some innumerate jackass has to make change for you.

  • hey persto! (unregistered) in reply to A Gould
    A Gould:
    (Personally, I'm waiting for the followup, where the Linux folks just hack the server to get free washes.)

    You mean where they hack it to see if they can, they succeed, then they continue to not wash their clothes anyway?

    What are you going to wear when your only shirt and jeans are in the wash anyway.

  • Peter (unregistered) in reply to Bad Context

    IEs4Linux for the win!

  • Procedural (unregistered) in reply to Sam
    Sam:
    Sven:
    No:
    "as a 20 character username will handle 10^28 users."

    uh ok so I guess this is a numeric username (thus 10 digits)? But a 20 character username, assuming only numbers, would only handle 10^20 users, not 10^28.

    A 20 character username, with only uppercase LETTERS, as the post said, would allow 26^20 possibilities, which equals approximately 10^28.

    <snip>

    If it was only upercase letters why was there confusion wuth 0 and O, 1 and l ??

    Must be upercase letters and numbers

    --pedantic Sam

    As it was so well-thought-out, there was probably no notice on the paper slip that said ("Oh, hey, yes, by the way, those are only letters, so this sucks less") so people might have tried numbers anyway.

    --nerdy oblivious-to-humour Procedural

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Obligatory link: a non-WTF real-time laundry server:

    http://laundry.mit.edu

    Oh, I think that a laundry with 4 driers functional and 2 of the 3 washers out of action for 2 and 3 months respectively is a fair wtf!

    (That said, it is probably a network issue, and the washers actually work to wash clothes; and maybe there are additional washers not networked.)

  • stevelaudig (unregistered)

    Unless there is some compelling reason not to maybe hanging the laundry out to dry should be encouraged. Level of sympathy for the inconvenienced is close to zero.

  • (cs)

    "This means that after 11:01 nobody could start a new machine, as it would crash with my reservation."

    Is this intentional?

  • Casey (unregistered) in reply to wds
    wds:
    TRWTF here of course is SAP. How they're still in business, it boggles the mind.

    No, how SAP's clients are still in business boggles the mind.

  • Real-modo (unregistered) in reply to Zapp Brannigan
    Zapp Brannigan:
    I declare shenanigans, everyone knows that Linux users don't wash their clothes or bathe.
    ...And Windows users try to bathe in dryers.
  • Meganne (unregistered) in reply to Ilya Ehrenburg
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    Americium:
    25 Euro cents is a quarter Euro.
    Arithmetically, yes, but there's no 25 Lepta coin in Euroland, so quarter-fed washing machines would be kind of out of place there.
    Americium:
    I have no idea how many Euros it takes to clean laundry in Oslo,
    None, zero, null. Norge still has kroner. Those Vikings were clever enough to stay out of the EU.
    Americium:
    or the Norwegian word for "quarter", but it is a valid concept.
    I don't know that word either, but the smallest coin is 50 øre, so it's not a valid concept there.

    Right. But I must remind you that Norway is the most expensive country in the world, so one wash costs 12 NOK (Norwegian Kroner) which is about 1,5 dollars and something like 1,3 Euros. Ant that does not include the so-called drying!

  • Jax (unregistered) in reply to wds
    wds:
    TRWTF here of course is SAP. How they're still in business, it boggles the mind.
    Me too.

    When the billing of our dark fiber lines was switched to SAP, we didn't receive any invoices for over half a year!

    A Million Flies Can't Be Wrong

  • (cs) in reply to NutDriverLefty
    NutDriverLefty:
    dkf:
    You might think so, but no. In normal circumstances, cash is fastest.
    Up to the moment when some innumerate jackass has to make change for you.
    Why would a coffee shop hire an innumerate jackass? It's not like they have to. At the very least they could hold out for someone who is both numerate and not an ass, as it's not as if there's a shortage of people looking for a job and those are actually key requirements...

    (I've never seen a Starbucks with innumerate jackasses for staff. Is it different in North America? It didn't seem to be to me when I've been over there.)

  • pragon (unregistered) in reply to Quango
    Quango:
    a) what Germans? I didn't see any reference to Germans?

    please read again:

    but the company responsible was building a system for the new Miele-nnium
  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    A networked dryer. There is no greater WTF in this story than the delicious absurdity of a networked dryer.

  • wlao (unregistered) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    codeman38:
    Alistair Wall:
    There are 29 letters in the Norwegian alphabet. Redoing the subsequent calculations is left as an exercise for the reader.
    Gah, that means you've got to discriminate between O, 0, and Ø?
    They have Å, Æ and Ø, and they're all reckoned to be distinct letters from the 26 used in English. Danish is the same in this respect, and Swedish is very similar (except they use Å, Ä and Ö to write them).
    But everyone living in those countries and using computers have learned to avoid these strange characters in their user name, since most systems will barf at you if you do. So redoing the calculation should be an exercise for the developers...
  • wlao (unregistered)
    Mike:
    There's also LaundryView.

    http://www.laundryview.com/lvs.php

    I've always wanted to network my washer and dryer since they don't have buzzers in them. While I'm at it I could network the heater and water heater to see how much they are on and all sorts of other stats.

    Bah... I always wanted to network my washer and dryer so that I could scan my dirty laundry, mail it to the machines, and receive clean clothes in my mail that I could print out.

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