• psuedonymous (unregistered) in reply to dmi
    dmi:
    Did someone dumb down the Interblagosphere while I wasn't paying attention?
    According to my calendar, it's Saturday 5947th September. That's one hell of an attention lapse.
  • Mike (unregistered) in reply to jeff
    jeff:
    the one about the address not being found is faked - there is no place on the squaregroup website which: a) Lets you search for anything (as I assume this fake wtf was meant to be), and b) displays any form of javascript alert.

    It's a sad time when people (read WTF-kiddies) have to make up WTFs to gain fame.

    Well done, Richard Hamilton-Frost, I hope you enjoyed it.

    1. Go to squaregroup.co.uk
    2. Click "Our Stores" at the top.
    3. View the source. It's right near the top:
    alert('78 New Oxford Street, London, WC1A 1HB' + " not found");

    In a related note, I don't understand why some people here are so nasty to everyone. I mean honestly, you couldn't just assume that you missed the alert the first time around? You had to act like you were the only one smart enough to notice that a script-kiddie was desperately trying to seek attention by pulling a fast one on us? That's not a healthy attitude to have in any situation.

  • (cs)

    I think Bematech Printer is a pretty cool guy because he Successed! and he doesnt afraid of anything.

  • Bobby Tables (unregistered) in reply to fennec

    It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. gunshot for prolonging a meme

  • (cs)

    Is it me or have the Error'ds gotten eye rolling bad? I mean, often times they aren't even WTF WTFs... They're like silly stupid things that aren't even confusing. If we know why things are broken (i.e., a n00b printing out an E-mail instead of an attachment) then it isn't a WTF at all. The world is full of computer illiterate. That's not even the worst of it... Sigh...

  • (cs) in reply to tin
    tin:
    Being a person who was born in a metric world, I've learned to just ignore large Fahrenheit values.

    Crazy Americans... Can't they just learn to use real measurements?

    Crazy Europeans... Can't they just learn to use real governments?

  • Quirkafleeg (unregistered) in reply to KattMan
    KattMan:
    On the third Wednesday of the month, he scheduled a meeting for the 13th of the following month. He then set it to repeat so the software asked if he wanted it to be every 13th or every third Wednesday. Not intuitive, still a bit WTFish, or I may be totally off my kilter in this.
    No; just a little…
  • Quirkafleeg (unregistered) in reply to psuedonymous
    psuedonymous:
    dmi:
    Did someone dumb down the Interblagosphere while I wasn't paying attention?
    According to my calendar, it's Saturday 5947th September. That's one hell of an attention lapse.
    According to mine, it's 9143 December 1984; but enough about politics.
  • (cs) in reply to Quirkafleeg
    Quirkafleeg:
    psuedonymous:
    dmi:
    Did someone dumb down the Interblagosphere while I wasn't paying attention?
    According to my calendar, it's Saturday 5947th September. That's one hell of an attention lapse.
    According to mine, it's 9143 December 1984; but enough about politics.
    Give us back our 11 days!
  • (cs) in reply to DaveK
    DaveK:
    Quirkafleeg:
    psuedonymous:
    dmi:
    Did someone dumb down the Interblagosphere while I wasn't paying attention?
    According to my calendar, it's Saturday 5947th September. That's one hell of an attention lapse.
    According to mine, it's 9143 December 1984; but enough about politics.
    Give us back our 11 days!

    (Now watch as I get flamed for rezzing an old thread. 'Oh did you have to, nobody's posted to that thread since 1752'!) (also, inb4 anyone points out that it never actually happened.)

  • John (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    dmi:
    Did someone dumb down the Interblagosphere while I wasn't paying attention?
    Yes - this happened about 10 years ago.

    More like 16 years ago.

    $ sdate Sat Sep 5947 11:45:29 GMT 1993

  • Stacker (unregistered) in reply to Chuck
    Chuck:
    There are non-US ways of doing dates and times?
    Sure! There's a right way for every faulty US thing!
  • Quirkafleeg (unregistered) in reply to Stacker
    Stacker:
    Chuck:
    There are non-US ways of doing dates and times?
    Sure! There's a right way for every faulty US thing!
    Well… today is 12/12/2009 or, as the 'Merkians would put it, 12/12/2009. On the strength of the differences in the representation that this highlights, may I recommend ISO 8601?
  • hmph (unregistered) in reply to Michael
    Michael:
    It's Cold:
    "It's seriously gotten cold in Fargo these days," Kevin Gross writes, "seriously cold."
    I've lived in Fargo. -196 is not bad for an early Spring afternoon.

    Oh, that's -196 Kelvin.

    Yeah, Fargo gets kinda cold sometimes.

    GEEK JOKE FAIL!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin

    JOKE GEEK FAIL!

  • hmph (unregistered) in reply to bramster
    bramster:
    It's Cold:
    "It's seriously gotten cold in Fargo these days," Kevin Gross writes, "seriously cold."
    I've lived in Fargo. -196 is not bad for an early Spring afternoon.

    Oh, that's -196 Kelvin.

    Yeah, Fargo gets kinda cold sometimes.

    1. Kelvin CANNOT be negative.

    2. Regardless, it's not going to be a good day at the Dairy Queen.

  • hmph (unregistered) in reply to bramster
    bramster:
    It's Cold:
    "It's seriously gotten cold in Fargo these days," Kevin Gross writes, "seriously cold."
    I've lived in Fargo. -196 is not bad for an early Spring afternoon.

    Oh, that's -196 Kelvin.

    Yeah, Fargo gets kinda cold sometimes.

    1. Kelvin CANNOT be negative.

    2. Regardless, it's not going to be a good day at the Dairy Queen.

    You're a manager, aren't you?

  • similis (unregistered) in reply to boh
    boh:
    Kermos:
    Bah, self checkout systems. I utterly hate those and avoid them like the plague. Don't know about you all but personally, if they expect *me* to do the cashier's job at a store, they better be paying me for it.

    They are paying you for it, by being able to keep lower prices. Some people do not seem to understand this.

    With those prices, no, they are not.

  • ben f (unregistered) in reply to bob171123
    bob171123:
    tin:
    Being a person who was born in a metric world, I've learned to just ignore large Fahrenheit values.

    Crazy Americans... Can't they just learn to use real measurements?

    Crazy Europeans... Can't they just learn to use real governments?
    Umm... What the hell does that mean? As if (single digit) binary political system was so much better?

  • Pete (unregistered)

    Tangible benefits of self-checkout systems to the consumer:

    1. The queues tend to go much faster than manned checkouts. People who use them tend to be quite confident with technology and pretty fast at using them (the technophobes tend not to use them).

    2. If you have a shitload of change to use up, its less embarrasing to put it in the coin-slot than to hand it over to the cashier who has to spend ages counting it. It also doesn't take 7.5% commission like those coin machines in UK supermarkets.

    I'm sure theres more that I haven't thought of, but I like the self-service checkouts.

  • Pete (unregistered) in reply to bob171123
    bob171123:
    Crazy Europeans... Can't they just learn to use real governments?

    Read "The Shock Doctrine", then tell me the US government has been a good one to date.

  • (cs)

    Maybe it was for one of those calendars where the first week may start the year before?

  • Luis (unregistered)

    This post is a WTF itself, I can't load any image.

  • Tim Rowe (unregistered) in reply to DonkeyRyan
    DonkeyRyan:
    The pin pad is not a WTF. There are chips in debit cards now and there is a slot on the top of pad where the card is suppose to be inserted like that to read the chip.
    No there isn't -- the slot is at the bottom of the pad.
  • Tim Rowe (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    TRWTF is chip and pin and the fact that it always leads to an argument when I travel to Europe with my non-chip and pin US credit cards. So much for Visa/Mastercard/Amex being accepted world-wide. Not if you don't have a chip.
    That's a lot better than it used to be -- I'm in the UK and still have one card without a chip and never have any trouble with it. Apparently cards without chips are routinely issued for people with certain disabilities (inability to remember 4-digit numbers?) and retailers are now used to it. All of the POS equipment I've seen has a swipe mechanism as well as a chip reader, and automatically prints out a signature chit if the swipe mechanism is used.
  • Blah (unregistered) in reply to boh
    boh:
    Kermos:
    Bah, self checkout systems. I utterly hate those and avoid them like the plague. Don't know about you all but personally, if they expect *me* to do the cashier's job at a store, they better be paying me for it.

    They are paying you for it, by being able to keep lower prices. Some people do not seem to understand this.

    Kermos:
    I actually had a store employee once tell me why I don't use their self checkout instead of coming to her. Flat out told her "I don't work here."

    Yeah. Gimme personal service and higher prices. I don't want to save money.

    Of course I haven't read about 3/4 of the posts between then and now (so maybe I shouldn't jump in here), but I don't remember prices dropping when they introduced chashier-less checkouts. Maybe they have you convinced that they'd charge you more without them, but I'm not convinced.

    I doubt they save them all that much money anyway, the main idea behind these checkouts is to improve image. When you are in a long queue at an automated machine, you (subconsciously) blame the incompetent old lady trying desperately to work out why the machine can't handle her forgetting to put her goods on the scales before continuing (AFAIK this is basically to make sure that you don't accidentally scan the same thing twice) for the long wait, and not one of the shop's staff members. Our local store always used to have problems with things like roast chickens that were fixed price but varied weight (the machine would retunr 'Incorrect Weight' and you had to wait for an employee to notice your distress signals). Frankly, I don't believe I am better off for these machines, I don't believe prices have dropped (or even that prices have been stopped from rising as fast) since these were implemented. I don't believe that my shopping has become any more efficient either - it seems many shops don't realise that 6 of these do not actually replace 6 real checkouts adequately (they don't even replace 6 express checkouts adequately), they probably (in terms of efficiency) replace at most 4 checkouts.

    No offence, but if you think you have been provided a better (or cheaper) service thorough the introduction of these checkouts you are deluded!!!

  • Blah (unregistered) in reply to Frank
    Frank:
    Nonsense. You won't find any evidence of lower prices due to self-checkout systems. Lower margins, MAYBE.

    Self-checkout systems are nothing more than the express lanes of the future. They are MUCH faster than waiting in line if you only have a few items, but are otherwise completely worthless to the customer.

    It might be faster for you to process your own items when the shop is empty, but when it comes to peak shopping, I would much rather be in a queue for someone else (who does this all day) to do the scanning, than waiting behind people who potentially don't understand how to operate the system...The self-service systems also seem to waste a lot of time doing nothing, effectively capping the best case scenario time you can get, irrespective of how proficient you are at using these machines. The only time saved (IMO) on these machines is queue time...

  • Johnson (unregistered) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    jeff:
    the one about the address not being found is faked - there is no place on the squaregroup website which: a) Lets you search for anything (as I assume this fake wtf was meant to be), and b) displays any form of javascript alert.

    It's a sad time when people (read WTF-kiddies) have to make up WTFs to gain fame.

    Well done, Richard Hamilton-Frost, I hope you enjoyed it.

    1. Go to squaregroup.co.uk
    2. Click "Our Stores" at the top.
    3. View the source. It's right near the top:
    alert('78 New Oxford Street, London, WC1A 1HB' + " not found");

    In a related note, I don't understand why some people here are so nasty to everyone. I mean honestly, you couldn't just assume that you missed the alert the first time around? You had to act like you were the only one smart enough to notice that a script-kiddie was desperately trying to seek attention by pulling a fast one on us? That's not a healthy attitude to have in any situation.

    Free Advertising on TDWTF!! Just insert a harmless little bug in your webpage....

  • Malachy (unregistered) in reply to xtremezone
    xtremezone:
    Is it me or have the Error'ds gotten eye rolling bad? I mean, often times they aren't even WTF WTFs... They're like silly stupid things that aren't even confusing. If we know why things are broken (i.e., a n00b printing out an E-mail instead of an attachment) then it isn't a WTF at all. The world is full of computer illiterate. That's not even the worst of it... Sigh...

    Perhaps they have, but then they do have fairly obvious Grey Banners on the home page if you want to ignore them when they come up, plus they seem to come up fairly regularly (third Wednesday of the month, I think)

  • Jason (unregistered) in reply to Pete

    [quote user="Pete"]Tangible benefits of self-checkout systems to the consumer:

    1. The queues tend to go much faster than manned checkouts. People who use them tend to be quite confident with technology and pretty fast at using them (the technophobes tend not to use them).

    2. If you have a shitload of change to use up, its less embarrasing to put it in the coin-slot than to hand it over to the cashier who has to spend ages counting it. It also doesn't take 7.5% commission like those coin machines in UK supermarkets.

    I'm sure theres more that I haven't thought of, but I like the self-service checkouts. [/quote] But if everyone does 2, then the time it takes to load coins outweighs any benefit in 1.

    Why do people get embarassed about large volumes of coin? Provided it isn't too much, it's still legal tender (I think in some countries large amounts of shrapnel are not legal tender) [quote=wikipedia] Australian notes are legal tender, as established by the Reserve Bank Act 1959 for all amounts. Australian coins for general circulation, now produced at the Royal Australian Mint in Canberra, are also legal tender, under the provisions of the Currency Act 1965, but only for the following amounts:

    * not exceeding 20¢ if 1¢ and/or 2¢ coins are offered;
* not exceeding $5 if any of 5¢, 10¢, 20¢ and 50¢ coins are offered;
* not exceeding 10 times the face value if coins in the range 50¢ to $10 inclusive are offered;
* to any value if face value is greater than $10 are offered.

    The one cent and two cent coins have been withdrawn from circulation since 1994, but they remain legal tender. [/quote]

  • (cs) in reply to Crash Magnet
    Crash Magnet:
    Ok, -196F is equal to -127C. So the embedded system can't handle -128?

    Q:

    1. There is 1LSB of noise in the analog circuit.
    2. The ADC can't handle -128,
    3. The programmer flubed the conversion from ADC units to degrees C
    4. The programmer flubed the conversion from degrees K to degrees C
    5. The programmer never tested the prototype at -198F.

    A: #5 You need to test all corner conditions and know what the answer should be.

    When I read this, I was speculating that the ADC returns 128 (excess 127) for 0 degrees C. If the ADC is broken and returns an actual 0, then 0 - 127 translated to F is -196, just as you note above.

    Actually, the only thing I'm really sure of is that I'm never moving to Fargo, where:

    It's Cold:
    -196 is not bad for an early Spring afternoon.
  • (cs)

    If you can not read this, then why are you reading this?

  • Ben (unregistered) in reply to Jason
    Jason:
    Why do people get embarassed about large volumes of coin? Provided it isn't too much, it's still legal tender (I think in some countries large amounts of shrapnel are not legal tender)

    Legal tender only means they have to take it if you're repaying a debt or honoring a contract. A bank can't refuse your payment because it's a sack full of pennies.

    It has nothing to do with paying for something since the seller can refuse to sell for any reason they want. At least, in theory.

  • mr muppet (unregistered) in reply to forgottenlord
    forgottenlord:
    It isn't outside the realm of reasonable to have chosen two very distinct days to do mailouts. Maybe they intentionally picked the third Wednesday and the 13th for the explicit reason of "they aren't the same day", thereby ensuring that they never have a day where they have to do the work of both mailouts on the same day.

    The last one is a curiosity ('cause it is weird), but not a WTF.

    leave it to a programmer to figure out some odd requirements to fit buggy code.

  • (cs) in reply to boh
    boh:
    Kermos:
    Bah, self checkout systems. I utterly hate those and avoid them like the plague. Don't know about you all but personally, if they expect *me* to do the cashier's job at a store, they better be paying me for it.

    They are paying you for it, by being able to keep lower prices. Some people do not seem to understand this.

    Kermos:
    I actually had a store employee once tell me why I don't use their self checkout instead of coming to her. Flat out told her "I don't work here."

    Yeah. Gimme personal service and higher prices. I don't want to save money.

    It's no YOU who is saving money, it's THEM

    Addendum (2009-12-14 06:15): After reading through all comments, I now realize the futility of my effort

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to moz
    moz:
    Anon:
    Frank:
    Self-checkout systems are nothing more than the express lanes of the future. They are MUCH faster than waiting in line if you only have a few items, but are otherwise completely worthless to the customer.

    In theory, yes, but in reality there's always some fuckwit in front of me who can't handle the complexity of checking themselves out.

    Interesting. Around here, the supermarkets which have those checkouts employ staff to watch over them to help people who have trouble (say) remembering to scan items before they put them in the bag, so you're no more likely to have a long wait than with a normal checkout.
    I was in a store this weekend that had no fewer than four members of staff hanging around a single self-service checkout. And the customers were still using the regular checkouts. Those four members of staff could have each been on a regular checkout and things would have moved far quicker. In fact, two of them could have gone home and the remaining two could have each taken a checkout - things would still have moved faster and the store could pay two less members of staff.

  • (cs)

    I was shopping around for a car, and one salesman says, "You look like the kind of guy who'd want the AM/FM radio with removable face plate, the trunk-mounted Cd player, with 8 speakers and remote contol."

    I hate being stereotyped.

  • Andreas (unregistered) in reply to Kermos

    Yeah, because we all know that scanning the bar codes is the hard part with the checkout.

    At least in Sweden you're expected to put your groceries on the belt and then (after the clerk has scanned them) pack them in your bag. I gladly scan the bar codes myself if it means I don't have to stand in line waiting (there's always a free checkout system where I shop).

  • rd (unregistered)

    Thirteenth!

  • A-nony-mouse (unregistered)

    TRWTF is that Janelle (Janette?) needs assistance getting it up ...

  • MD (unregistered) in reply to It's Cold, eh?
    • 3 right now with a wind chill of -20 :) hurray for winter!!!
  • Quirkafleeg (unregistered) in reply to Jan Hyde
    Jan Hyde:
    I was shopping around for a car, and one salesman says, "You look like the kind of guy who'd want the AM/FM radio with removable face plate, the trunk-mounted Cd player, with 8 speakers and remote contol."

    I hate being stereotyped.

    What? No DAB?

    Captcha: (un)conventio(nal).

  • rd (unregistered)

    I've read all the comments about "Every Third Wednesday" and still don't see WTF the WTF is. Nowhere on that form does it imply the third Wednesday of any month could fall on the 13th.

    The user has selected to repeat the event on the 13th of every month - not the third Wednesday - so the third Wednesday is irrelevant. The fact that the 13th of the particular month in question (May, 2009) just happened to fall on a Wednesday appears to be a coincidence.

  • Worf (unregistered) in reply to Jason
    Pete:
    Tangible benefits of self-checkout systems to the consumer:

    1. The queues tend to go much faster than manned checkouts. People who use them tend to be quite confident with technology and pretty fast at using them (the technophobes tend not to use them).

    2. If you have a shitload of change to use up, its less embarrasing to put it in the coin-slot than to hand it over to the cashier who has to spend ages counting it. It also doesn't take 7.5% commission like those coin machines in UK supermarkets.

    I'm sure theres more that I haven't thought of, but I like the self-service checkouts.

    I find the self-checkouts are faster only IF there is no one there. The moment you have to wait for a self-checkout, game over. Find another register. (I was at Walmart - the self-checkouts (6 stations) had a lineup. The express line had cashiers waiting...).

    Self-checkout is also slower per item. Take an item, scan it, wait for it to ask you to put it in the bag, put it in the bag, wait for prompt, scan next time. Takes the whole scan-and-bag action (takes 5 seconds with a normal cashier) and drags it out to 30+ seconds.

    These days, I scan the registers to see if there's a free one first - a cashier can go by extremely quickly.

    Jason:
    But if everyone does 2, then the time it takes to load coins outweighs any benefit in 1.

    Why do people get embarassed about large volumes of coin? Provided it isn't too much, it's still legal tender (I think in some countries large amounts of shrapnel are not legal tender)

    I spend my change, so I rarely have huge collections. I never understood why people collected pennies in jars and the like, because I find having a whole pile of pennies odd. I may have 2 or 3, but they get spent to make easy change (e.g., register rings up $1.77 - if I pay $2.02, I get a quarter back).

    So why do people end up with huge jars of change?

  • Sharkey (unregistered) in reply to rd
    rd:
    I've read all the comments about "Every Third Wednesday" and still don't see WTF the WTF is. Nowhere on that form does it imply the third Wednesday of any month could fall on the 13th.

    The user has selected to repeat the event on the 13th of every month - not the third Wednesday - so the third Wednesday is irrelevant. The fact that the 13th of the particular month in question (May, 2009) just happened to fall on a Wednesday appears to be a coincidence.

    I guess you miss the point. Try Google calendar. Note how depending on the date of the appointment, some of these interval patterns are automatically picked based on the already selected date of the appointment. I think it's more likely that the assertions of the majority (that the UI is broken) is the correct one, rather than a facile attempt to ignore evidence as 'just coincidental'. You should have watched more Columbo in your misspent youth :-).

    I wonder if the broken UI, for Wed 30 Dec 2009, gives the interval to repeat as the 5th or 6th Wed of every month? (note - these are both incorrect - you figure out why)

  • (cs) in reply to halcyon1234
    halcyon1234:
    TRWTF is chip and pin and the fact that it always leads to an argument when I travel to Europe with my non-chip and pin US credit cards. So much for Visa/Mastercard/Amex being accepted world-wide. Not if you don't have a chip.

    Joke's on them, because 99% of the time, they'll accept transactions in fallback mode-- where a card with a chip has it's chip damaged or unreadable. The staff is just poorly trained, they should take the card.

    Chip-and-PIN is claimed to reduce fraud. To encourage retailer uptake, the card provider made the rules so that if a fraudulent transaction occurs by chip-and-PIN, the card provider is liable, but if a fraudulent transaction occurs by magstripe and signature, the retailer is liable. THAT is why they won't accept the chipless card.

  • (cs) in reply to rd
    rd:
    I've read all the comments about "Every Third Wednesday" and still don't see WTF the WTF is. Nowhere on that form does it imply the third Wednesday of any month could fall on the 13th.

    The user has selected to repeat the event on the 13th of every month - not the third Wednesday - so the third Wednesday is irrelevant. The fact that the 13th of the particular month in question (May, 2009) just happened to fall on a Wednesday appears to be a coincidence.

    If the UI was logical, then the following would occur.

    The user has selected an appointment on Wednesday, 13th May, 2009 (as may be seen from the Event Info caption just below the title bar). This is the second Wednesday of the month.

    The user wants this to become a repeating event, and selects the 'Repeat Monthly' option.

    The UI provides two options: the same day of the month, and the same same day of the week. In other words, the 13th of the month, and the second Wednesday.

    That'd be logical. It's what I'd expect. It's not what's happening here - here, the UI is offering the third Wednesday. It's not the user picking the third Wednesday in preference to the second, because that's not an option.

    This is why we're going WTF?

  • (cs) in reply to Jan Hyde
    Jan Hyde:
    I was shopping around for a car, and one salesman says, "You look like the kind of guy who'd want the AM/FM radio with removable face plate, the trunk-mounted Cd player, with 8 speakers and remote contol."

    I walked into a dealership once and a salesperson came up to me and asked if I needed help. I told him that I was shopping around in the compact-SUV segment. He replied, "Oh, you want a car with a compact disc player?"

    Seriously? He actually expected someone might walk in and say "Yo, sell me a car with a CD player!"

    Once I explained that I was looking for a compact SUV with good fuel economy and reasonable cargo space, produced my research notes and dealer pricing notes, he stopped treating me like an idiot. I didn't, however, end up buying the vehicle (Suzuki Grand Vitara).

  • Laughing Jack (unregistered) in reply to veniam
    veniam:
    What, are you the director of the society for the preservation of antique dipthongs? Go speak French if you're so horny for unnecessary vowels.*

    ...Oh, wait, just saw the user name. snicker

    • Note: might require eating cheese and surrendering all over the place, you freakin monkey.
    Ya'know, being despised by Yanks was probably the biggest global PR success ever scored by France. Just saying, Dick.
  • Zero Sum (unregistered) in reply to bob171123
    bob171123:
    Crazy Europeans... Can't they just learn to use real governments?
    And they say American humor isn't subtle.
  • (cs) in reply to Worf
    Worf:

    Self-checkout is also slower per item. Take an item, scan it, wait for it to ask you to put it in the bag, put it in the bag, wait for prompt, scan next time. Takes the whole scan-and-bag action (takes 5 seconds with a normal cashier) and drags it out to 30+ seconds.

    These days, I scan the registers to see if there's a free one first - a cashier can go by extremely quickly.

    Um, where I shop, at Albertson's, the self-checkout only asks you to put the item in the bag if you are slow doing it. You don't HAVE to wait for the system to tell you that -- this is why self-service checkout is slow for YOU. Scan an item, and put it in the bag right away, and repeat until done.

    You also don't have to wait for a prompt to scan the next item. You can scan and bag items as fast as your arms allow. No wonder it's slow for you!

    There's no problem that way, and things go fast. I think the problem here is how YOU are using the system!

    David

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