• (cs)

    Because mean-of-means curves are so much better distributed than a mean curve.

    Addendum (2010-11-30 12:49): This is what I mean:

    http://davidmlane.com/hyperstat/A13660.html

    See the curve on the above page? The flat curve shows an even (random) distribution. That's the Rand() function. See the tall, skinny curve where the numbers are almost all the same? That's SuperRand.

  • (cs) in reply to J.O.A.T.
    J.O.A.T.:
    tom103:
    The real WTF is giving up software development to become a cop...

    Not really, sometimes I long for a change and imagine myself working as a garbage man. Then I realise the only difference is the smell...

    Are you sure?

  • (cs) in reply to J.O.A.T.
    J.O.A.T.:
    tom103:
    The real WTF is giving up software development to become a cop...

    Not really, sometimes I long for a change and imagine myself working as a garbage man. Then I realise the only similarity is the smell...

    FTFY

  • joe blow (unregistered) in reply to Jerry

    [quote user="Jerry"][quote user="TimG"][quote user="Jerry"]Hey I have an idea. When you're walking down the hall in my office, just stop every 10 feet and touch your nose to the floor. So what if it is completely unnecessary and only serves to slow you down -- it will allow you to avoid the mandatory $500 fine I impose on everyone else. So, you have total freedom of choice here. No reason to complain.[/quote] Hey I have an idea. Let's make up an analogous situation, except with all the dangerous parts removed. That way all the safety measures look ridiculous.[/quote]Driving 70 in a 55 zone is not dangerous. If it were, the millions of people that do it every day would be dead. quote]

    Of course it is dangerous. That's why you are strapped into a steel vehicle, surrounded by airbags. And people still get killed all the time.

  • Jerry (unregistered) in reply to joe blow
    joe blow:
    Of course it is dangerous. That's why you are strapped into a steel vehicle, surrounded by airbags. And people still get killed all the time.
    So let's bring everything to a complete stop, for perfect safety!
  • CoderDan (unregistered) in reply to pedestrian
    pedestrian:
    Matt Westwood:
    tin:
    Jerry:
    Guess what, cops! We don't like speed traps either. In many cases it is just glorified highway robbery: I pass your ambush, you threaten me with my weapons to extract some cash.

    Only with this modern version, it's all legal... Conflict of interest really, since the fines go to the government, who is the ones setting the "safe" speed limit. Need more legally obtained non-tax revenue? Simply lower the speed limits on roads people are known to want to go fast on (highways, etc), and send the police out for some easy pickings.

    Time and again it has been state by retired law enforcement officers - speed doesn't kill, distracted driving does. Highways (speed) are some of the safest places, whereas school zones (soccer moms texting) are far more dangerous

    Merely a tax on the impatient.

    In the UK there is a campaign to make the speed limit 20 mph in all built-up/residential areas. It's already 20 outside most schools, and there are speed bumps and "traffic calming measures" that cause expensive damage to your vehicle if you exceed such a speed. The ostensible reason is for "greenness" because nobody has been able to explain to the stupes in control that driving a car at 20 mph is significantly less efficient than driving it at 30.

    I think you'll find the ostensible reason is to stop children getting killed when they run out into the road without looking properly. At 30mph you'll will kill a lot more children than at 20mph. And many people go over the limit anyway, because of the margin of error.

    I've never ever heard "greenness" touted as a reason for this. It sounds like a good idea to me. I don't like boy racers and rat-run businessmen speeding round residential streets.

  • by (unregistered) in reply to Ã
    Ã:
    i can haz new wtf?

    NO! You will continue commenting on over-analyzed and stale WTF, and like it damnit!

    :)

    We want new WTF! We want new WTF!

  • trwtf (unregistered) in reply to Jerry
    Jerry:
    Driving 70 in a 55 zone is not dangerous. If it were, the millions of people that do it every day would be dead.

    Driving 55 in a 55 zone, on the other hand, can be dangerous.

    Stop using allegations of safety as an excuse to steal. It's no different from the mafia "protecting" you from your business burning down.

    Stop getting hysterical. Tim is not using the safety argument as an excuse to steal, he's arguing that the safety arguments are legitimate, and that you're trivializing them. As you do above - the fact that immediate death doesn't result doesn't mean it's reasonable behavior. If it did, smoking would be perfectly safe.

  • yo (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    Is it really undesirable to have a predictable rotating schedule of jobs?

    By the way, cops are TRWTF.

    TRWTF are criminals who are the scum of humanity

  • CoderDan (unregistered) in reply to CoderDan

    Well that was splendid, my comment wasn't added. So I'll do it again: According to many retired law enforcement officers issuing speeding tickets is not about safety but rather revenue.

    Speed doesn't kill, being an idiot or distracted driving kills. Highway - Safe..... School zone with soccer mom texting... deathzone..

  • moz (unregistered) in reply to Jerry
    Jerry:
    Hey I have an idea. When you're walking down the hall in my office, just stop every 10 feet and touch your nose to the floor. So what if it is completely unnecessary and only serves to slow you down -- it will allow you to avoid the mandatory $500 fine I impose on everyone else. So, you have total freedom of choice here. No reason to complain.
    You levy mandatory $500 fines? I've got an idea. I have a taser and a gun on my belt. Why don't you give me all the money you've collected, so that I don't shoot you in the head with whichever one I think is the taser?
  • Regular Criminal (unregistered) in reply to yo
    yo:
    frits:
    Is it really undesirable to have a predictable rotating schedule of jobs?

    By the way, cops are TRWTF.

    TRWTF are criminals who are the scum of humanity

    I agree, but the regular criminals are fine.

  • Regular Criminal (unregistered) in reply to moz
    moz:
    Jerry:
    Hey I have an idea. When you're walking down the hall in my office, just stop every 10 feet and touch your nose to the floor. So what if it is completely unnecessary and only serves to slow you down -- it will allow you to avoid the mandatory $500 fine I impose on everyone else. So, you have total freedom of choice here. No reason to complain.
    You levy mandatory $500 fines? I've got an idea. I have a taser and a gun on my belt. Why don't you give me all the money you've collected, so that I don't shoot you in the head with whichever one I think is the taser?
    Now you're thinking like a true pig, great work! Someone give this man a promotion and replace that useless taser with another gun.
  • trwtf (unregistered) in reply to CoderDan
    CoderDan:
    Speed doesn't kill, being an idiot or distracted driving kills.

    I'll go along with that. I've always figured that driving while using a mobile phone or texting is a little like the old tradition of firing your weapons into the air on occasions of celebration. It's pretty good odds that you won't kill anyone - but you'll feel really dumb when you do. It may be less than charitable, but every time I see someone driving around while paying attention to their mobile, I can't help hoping the only person they kill will be themselves. And that that will happen soon, so everyone around them will be a little safer.

  • Rob (unregistered)

    Why do you want a random number in any of it?

    A rotating schedule is more fair in the short-term and people tend to think short-term anyway. A true random selection will be fair in the long-run, but the guy that gets stuck with the crappy shift three days in a row isn't going to care.

  • Sergeant York (unregistered) in reply to trwtf
    trwtf:
    CoderDan:
    Speed doesn't kill, being an idiot or distracted driving kills.

    I'll go along with that. I've always figured that driving while using a mobile phone or texting is a little like the old tradition of firing your weapons into the air on occasions of celebration. It's pretty good odds that you won't kill anyone - but you'll feel really dumb when you do. It may be less than charitable, but every time I see someone driving around while paying attention to their mobile, I can't help hoping the only person they kill will be themselves. And that that will happen soon, so everyone around them will be a little safer.

    That’s an excellent analogy. BTW, you did know that bullets returning to earth from a vertically fired weapon do have a terminal velocity, right; that normal bullets won't kill you and likely wouldn't even cause serious injury? So, it's really not as dangerous as you make it sound. Just like the speed thing.

  • Sergeant York (unregistered) in reply to Sergeant York
    Sergeant York:
    trwtf:
    CoderDan:
    Speed doesn't kill, being an idiot or distracted driving kills.

    I'll go along with that. I've always figured that driving while using a mobile phone or texting is a little like the old tradition of firing your weapons into the air on occasions of celebration. It's pretty good odds that you won't kill anyone - but you'll feel really dumb when you do. It may be less than charitable, but every time I see someone driving around while paying attention to their mobile, I can't help hoping the only person they kill will be themselves. And that that will happen soon, so everyone around them will be a little safer.

    That’s an excellent analogy. BTW, you did know that bullets returning to earth from a vertically fired weapon do have a terminal velocity, right; that normal bullets won't kill you and likely wouldn't even cause serious injury? So, it's really not as dangerous as you make it sound. Just like the speed thing.

    On second thought, there seems to be too many variables that make lethal returns possible, so your remark stands; better than mine anyway.

  • Huh? (unregistered) in reply to by
    by:
    Ã:
    i can haz new wtf?

    NO! You will continue commenting on over-analyzed and stale WTF, and like it damnit!

    :)

    We want new WTF! We want new WTF!

    Alex is experimenting to see how long we'll continue to comment on a stale article.

    Captcha: genitus: a condition with symptoms similar to carpal tunnel syndrome, found in US TSA agents who have been performing enhanced pat-downs for extended periods of time.

  • (cs) in reply to Regular Criminal
    Regular Criminal:
    yo:
    frits:
    Is it really undesirable to have a predictable rotating schedule of jobs?

    By the way, cops are TRWTF.

    TRWTF are criminals who are the scum of humanity

    I agree, but the regular criminals are fine.

    I like the Fun Lovin' Criminals.

    (not really)

  • by (unregistered) in reply to Regular Criminal
    Regular Criminal:
    moz:
    Jerry:
    Hey I have an idea. When you're walking down the hall in my office, just stop every 10 feet and touch your nose to the floor. So what if it is completely unnecessary and only serves to slow you down -- it will allow you to avoid the mandatory $500 fine I impose on everyone else. So, you have total freedom of choice here. No reason to complain.
    You levy mandatory $500 fines? I've got an idea. I have a taser and a gun on my belt. Why don't you give me all the money you've collected, so that I don't shoot you in the head with whichever one I think is the taser?
    Now you're thinking like a true pig, great work! Someone give this man a promotion and replace that useless taser with another gun.

    Nice! An intertubes fight! But both of you seem so tough, and both of you have 6th deg. black-belts in karate... Hmm, should be a close one.

    Lighten up guys... Can't we just say that both are correct? Speed limits exist to save lives, but that in some situations, speed limits are lower to allow for easier speed traps...

  • TimG (unregistered) in reply to Jerry
    Jerry:
    joe blow:
    Of course it is dangerous. That's why you are strapped into a steel vehicle, surrounded by airbags. And people still get killed all the time.
    So let's bring everything to a complete stop, for perfect safety!
    This may be news to you, but we adults collectively and routinely make utilitarian calculations about the value of life vs. convenience and economic impact. The value of having personal transportation outweighs the cost in human life. But we consider this cost unfortunate and take steps to reasonably mitigate it, by forcing auto manufacturers to build safer cars, and by compelling individuals not to drive faster than their reflexes can reasonably handle, and by deterring people from driving while under the influence of distractions or chemicals. You know, infringing upon the "rights" of individuals to defray the social cost of the large amount of freedom and economy permitted by personal transportation.

    Don't worry. I suppose by the time you're old enough to drive you'll realize that stamping your feet about your so-called freedoms isn't worth much.

  • Maltz (unregistered) in reply to Dan
    Dan:
    Ken B.:
    Now, you just need to make sure that, when dealing with unwanted jobs, you're officer number 1 or 46, and when dealing with desirable jobs, you're officer 23 or 24.

    And I love the logic -- "if the 'good' random number is equal to the 'bad' random number, regenerate the 'good' one." (I guess it wasn't so "good" after all.)

    Sometimes good numbers go bad, which is why you need Internal Affairs.

    Integer Affairs?

  • duis (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Brian Coleman:
    We already know from the London Ambulance Service that so-called 'traffic calming' causes over 500 deaths a year in London alone, and now the police have confirmed it affects their response times too. The evidence is clear - road humps are a menace which are endangering Londoners.
    In America, 'road humps' do not mean speed bumps.
  • so close (unregistered) in reply to Maltz
    Maltz:
    Dan:
    Ken B.:
    Now, you just need to make sure that, when dealing with unwanted jobs, you're officer number 1 or 46, and when dealing with desirable jobs, you're officer 23 or 24.

    And I love the logic -- "if the 'good' random number is equal to the 'bad' random number, regenerate the 'good' one." (I guess it wasn't so "good" after all.)

    Sometimes good numbers go bad, which is why you need Internal Affairs.

    Integral Affairs?

  • ÃÆâ€â„ (unregistered) in reply to by
    by:
    Ã:
    i can haz new wtf?

    NO! You will continue commenting on over-analyzed and stale WTF, and like it damnit!

    :)

    We want new WTF! We want new WTF!

    I miss basement cat.

  • luctus (unregistered) in reply to Sergeant York
    Sergeant York:
    That’s an excellent analogy. BTW, you did know that bullets returning to earth from a vertically fired weapon do have a terminal velocity, right; that normal bullets won't kill you and likely wouldn't even cause serious injury? So, it's really not as dangerous as you make it sound. Just like the speed thing.
    Check out what the Mythbusters found out about that (quoted from Wikipedia):

    Bullets Fired Up

    Myth statement Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

    Status Busted , Plausible, and Confirmed

    Notes In the case of a bullet fired at sufficiently close to a vertical angle to result in a non-ballistic trajectory, the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact (the Busted rating). However, if a bullet is fired at a lower angle allowing for a ballistic trajectory (a far more likely case), it will maintain its spin and will retain enough energy to be lethal on impact (the Plausible rating). Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most U.S. states, and even in the states where it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets (fired from approximately 1 mile (1.6 km) away, and hence at a lower angle), one of them fatally (the Confirmed rating). To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

  • (cs) in reply to Jerry
    Jerry:
    joe blow:
    Of course it is dangerous. That's why you are strapped into a steel vehicle, surrounded by airbags. And people still get killed all the time.
    So let's bring everything to a complete stop, for perfect safety!
    Is that the way we argue around here? Let me try:

    "So let's force everyone to drive as fast as they possibly can, for perfect traffic efficiency!"

    Wow, reconstructing your opponent's argument to such an extreme that it becomes absurd and thus easier to refute is fun!

  • (cs) in reply to Huh?
    Huh?:
    Alex is experimenting to see how long we'll continue to comment on a stale article.
    Are you kidding?

    Everyone knows that within the first five minutes all comments on the article cease, and all remaining comments are either bickering about off-topic subjects, or one of roughly four ongoing memes.

  • Knuckle Dragging Neanderthal (unregistered) in reply to boog
    boog:
    Jerry:
    joe blow:
    Of course it is dangerous. That's why you are strapped into a steel vehicle, surrounded by airbags. And people still get killed all the time.
    So let's bring everything to a complete stop, for perfect safety!
    Is that the way we argue around here? Let me try:

    "So let's force everyone to drive as fast as they possibly can, for perfect traffic efficiency!"

    Wow, reconstructing your opponent's argument to such an extreme that it becomes absurd and thus easier to refute is fun!

    Only morans argue about this kind of shit on the internet.

  • neminem (unregistered)

    I don't think anyone would argue that, for any given driving situation, there is a speed beyond which driving would be unsafe. What can be argued is merely what that speed is. I recently got a ticket in Arizona, one of those fully-automated traffic camera ones, informing me that I was driving over the safe speed limit of 35mph, on a wide, 3 lane major street with only occasional traffic lights, about a block from a major freeway onramp. It was extremely obvious that the entire purpose of the 35mph speed limit there was, "because that's where we put the camera, and we need money".

    Also, yeah, new article coming sometime, hopefully?

  • Wow (unregistered) in reply to Grumpy
    Grumpy:
    tom103:
    The real WTF is giving up software development to become a cop...

    Eating coffee and drinking donuts all day. One word: mace. Another: taser. A coders dream... Lusers, beware.

    Man. I love eating coffee. Brewing is for suckers.

  • (cs) in reply to Knuckle Dragging Neanderthal
    Knuckle Dragging Neanderthal:
    Only morans argue about this kind of shit on the internet.
    I know, right? Name-calling and deliberately misspelling words on the Internet is way cooler.
  • (cs) in reply to luctus
    luctus:
    Sergeant York:
    That’s an excellent analogy. BTW, you did know that bullets returning to earth from a vertically fired weapon do have a terminal velocity, right; that normal bullets won't kill you and likely wouldn't even cause serious injury? So, it's really not as dangerous as you make it sound. Just like the speed thing.
    Check out what the Mythbusters found out about that (quoted from Wikipedia):

    Bullets Fired Up

    Myth statement Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

    Status Busted , Plausible, and Confirmed

    Notes In the case of a bullet fired at sufficiently close to a vertical angle to result in a non-ballistic trajectory, the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact (the Busted rating). However, if a bullet is fired at a lower angle allowing for a ballistic trajectory (a far more likely case), it will maintain its spin and will retain enough energy to be lethal on impact (the Plausible rating). Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most U.S. states, and even in the states where it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets (fired from approximately 1 mile (1.6 km) away, and hence at a lower angle), one of them fatally (the Confirmed rating). To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

    I can't quite remember that episode. Did they test the falling terminal velocity of a bullet while spinning?

    I'm thinking of a bullet fired straight down from an extreme height (lets say a high altitude weather balloon) that can be slowed sufficiently to terminal velocity while still spinning and maintaining 'proper' trajectory.

    My initial guess would be that it's lethal as I can't see a bullet having a low enough terminal velocity to be removed from the lethal range without the extra drag of tumbling.

  • Charles Boyung (unregistered) in reply to Markp
    Markp:
    Bill's Kid:
    Caffeine:
    Now to convince the nice casino folk that using a 12 sided dice is the same as rolling 2 six sided dice....

    How do you role a "1" with two six-sided die?

    Or was that sarcasm?

    Clearly. When adding two dice some numbers are more likely than others. 7 is much more likely than 2, e.g. Rolling a 12-side die would theoretically result in equal probability of numbers 1-12, if such a die can be made.

    If such a die can be made??? Seriously, you are on a site for geeks and have never heard of a 12-sided die?

  • Wow (unregistered) in reply to Charles Boyung
    Charles Boyung:
    Markp:
    Bill's Kid:
    Caffeine:
    Now to convince the nice casino folk that using a 12 sided dice is the same as rolling 2 six sided dice....

    How do you role a "1" with two six-sided die?

    Or was that sarcasm?

    Clearly. When adding two dice some numbers are more likely than others. 7 is much more likely than 2, e.g. Rolling a 12-side die would theoretically result in equal probability of numbers 1-12, if such a die can be made.

    If such a die can be made??? Seriously, you are on a site for geeks and have never heard of a 12-sided die?

    Best. Troll. Ever.

    Congratulations!

  • (cs) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    luctus:
    Check out what the Mythbusters found out about that (quoted from Wikipedia):

    Bullets Fired Up

    Myth statement Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

    Status Busted , Plausible, and Confirmed

    Notes blah blah really-cool-findings blah

    I can't quite remember that episode. Did they test the falling terminal velocity of a bullet while spinning?

    I'm thinking of a bullet fired straight down from an extreme height (lets say a high altitude weather balloon) that can be slowed sufficiently to terminal velocity while still spinning and maintaining 'proper' trajectory.

    My initial guess would be that it's lethal as I can't see a bullet having a low enough terminal velocity to be removed from the lethal range without the extra drag of tumbling.

    They made a tiny wind tunnel to test the falling terminal velocity of a bullet; interestingly enough the bullet always wants to fall on its side, no matter what. Their theory (and findings) were that when fired straight up, the velocity is so low (almost zero) at the highest point that the bullet would lose its ballistic trajectory and start falling on its side, resulting in a much lower terminal velocity.

    If the bullet were to maintain its ballistic trajectory (which it would if fired at an angle or straight down), then yes, the terminal velocity would remain high and it would be lethal.

    Very interesting episode. Also check out the episode about dropping a penny from the Empire State Building - similar concept.

  • shimon (unregistered)
    ...especially against the few horrible posts – such as manning the speed trap – that just suck the life out of most people for eight hours.

    He must be crazy. In my country, speed traps happen to be a way for officers to quickly raise significant amounts of cash. I've never ever seen a skinny, let alone proportionally built, policeman on that duty.

    Of course, they don't raise that cash with speeding fines. People will gladly pay with cash straight into the officer's pocket, so that either they don't get fined after all, or that the officer doesn't require a more thorough inspection of the car and its driver (what if there are dead bodies in your boot? Or, something which can be considered as contrabanda? Oh, can you explain what is this gun doing on the passenger's seat? Or that white powder in your pocket? Would you mind wasting the rest of your day explaining that this was a great mistake and be ultimately wrong? The possibilities to raise money are so endless that Jimbo Wales would cry in envy).

  • tradie (unregistered)

    The True WTF is that he was tasked with building a biased estimator when they already had a biased estimator.

    Assuming that the low numbers were the most senior officers (who never pull dork work), and the high numbers were the most recent officers (who can't be trusted out alone), the mid ranking officers (experienced) were already the ones pulling extra duty.

  • John Muller (unregistered)

    Consider that for every hour you spend driving you have x% chance of getting into an accident, reducing the time you spend driving would reduce the chances of an accident.

    So, by driving twice as fast, you cut the chances of an accident in half.

  • Matt Westwood (unregistered) in reply to trwtf
    trwtf:
    Matt Westwood:
    I'm a follower of Darwin. Children too stupid to learn not to run out into the road without looking are too stupid to survive to adulthood.

    We could extend your logic a little. All children should be sent through a live-fire obstacle course every year on their birthday. The ones that don't make it were too stupid to live. Yes?

    Excellent idea! Or at least encouraged to go and run about outdoors a bit every so often outside of the parameters of organized sports.

  • Jeremy (unregistered) in reply to neminem
    neminem:
    I don't think anyone would argue that, for any given driving situation, there *is* a speed beyond which driving would be unsafe. What can be argued is merely what that speed is. I recently got a ticket in Arizona,

    Ding!

    neminem:
    one of those fully-automated traffic camera ones, informing me that I was driving over the safe

    ... surely 'legal'? ...

    neminem:
    speed limit of 35mph, on a wide, 3 lane major street with only occasional traffic lights, about a block from a major freeway onramp. It was *extremely* obvious that the entire purpose of the 35mph speed limit there was, "because that's where we put the camera, and we need money".

    And not at all obvious that it's there "because of all the drivers who start getting up towards freeway speed while they are still a block away from the onramp"?

  • Jeremy (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    trwtf:
    slavik262:
    Studies have shown that for every life a speed bump ostensibly saves by making you drive slower, many more are lost due to the delays it causes to emergency vehicles.

    Citations please! (Either I think you're just making things up using the "I saw it on the discovery channel" maneuver, or I agree with you and want to be able to use this in future arguments)

    Well, that was easy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3288795.stm

    Brian Coleman:
    We already know from the London Ambulance Service that so-called 'traffic calming' causes over 500 deaths a year in London alone, and now the police have confirmed it affects their response times too. The evidence is clear - road humps are a menace which are endangering Londoners.

    So, instead of saying "studies show", you've cited a politician saying "studies show"... Well no, to be fair, he says "London Ambulance Service says..."

    Anonymous:
    I take it you've never heard of Google? There are lots of specific studies that you can find very easily but I think the above quote rather nicely sums up the situation. The London Ambulance Service report that he cites is also available online but it's very in-depth and quite impenetrable, I wouldn't want to confuse you because you're obviously not the brightest of sparks.

    A citation for the impenetrable LAS report would be just the ticket.

    Google brings up the London Ambulance Service policy statement on the issue. http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/talking_with_us/freedom_of_information/classes_of_information/idoc.ashx?docid=ebf231ba-f493-4392-bc89-f4fe37b0394d&version=-1

    But this policy clearly states:

    "The public debate around these issues has generated a certain amount of heat but not much light. The LAS would like to see proper research carried out into the full range of benefits and costs of traffic calming schemes, and will fully participate in any such research."

    So isn't the LAS in fact saying the very opposite of "studies show..."?

  • Jeremy (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    To all the retarded "traffic calming" advocates - just look at this shit: [image]

    This is what we have to put up with in the UK. What the FUCKING FUCK is going on? You have a perfectly straight piece of road in a non-populated area with excellent visibility... then some dumb fucking council goes and builds a pavement right in the middle of it!!! Does ANYONE think this is a good idea? This is immeasurably more dangerous than leaving the road as it is. If you know it's there then good for you, you're in a position to account for it. And if you don't know it's there? Well, bad luck because you're liable to go straight into it, causing an accident on an otherwise safe bit of road.

    There is no logic, sense or decency to this. The council are literally making our roads more dangerous. Anyone who advocates this clearly doesn't have to put up with it on a daily basis. How would you like driving if you knew that that at any time you might run into a bloody great piece of concrete that some retard has just stuck into the middle of the road, without justification and without warning? Trust me, it's not fun. I ride a motorbike so this isn't going to be a bent fender, this is going to be a major spill and a trip to the hospital - maybe even the morgue.

    For an extra kick, notice the sign there - the sign that warns you after you've passed the fucking thing. I swear it's like a bad joke, or at least it would be if it wasn't so ridiculously dangerous.

    Erm...

    That's a narrow road, with a footpath so that pedestrians are less likely to get mown down, and with a wide section so that oncoming vehicles can pass each other. It's in a zone with good visibility so that drivers can see each other coming, and can see the signposted passing zone, and can therefore approach the manoeuvre in a calm and orderly manner.

    That is, of course, until Valentino Rossi, third in the convoy on his superbike, tight up behind a tractor and a transit van, sees the widening road and leaps out from behind to zip past - only to discover the other end of the wide bit. Bent fenders and worse ensue...

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Jeremy
    Jeremy:
    Anonymous:
    To all the retarded "traffic calming" advocates - just look at this shit: [image]

    This is what we have to put up with in the UK. What the FUCKING FUCK is going on? You have a perfectly straight piece of road in a non-populated area with excellent visibility... then some dumb fucking council goes and builds a pavement right in the middle of it!!! Does ANYONE think this is a good idea? This is immeasurably more dangerous than leaving the road as it is. If you know it's there then good for you, you're in a position to account for it. And if you don't know it's there? Well, bad luck because you're liable to go straight into it, causing an accident on an otherwise safe bit of road.

    There is no logic, sense or decency to this. The council are literally making our roads more dangerous. Anyone who advocates this clearly doesn't have to put up with it on a daily basis. How would you like driving if you knew that that at any time you might run into a bloody great piece of concrete that some retard has just stuck into the middle of the road, without justification and without warning? Trust me, it's not fun. I ride a motorbike so this isn't going to be a bent fender, this is going to be a major spill and a trip to the hospital - maybe even the morgue.

    For an extra kick, notice the sign there - the sign that warns you after you've passed the fucking thing. I swear it's like a bad joke, or at least it would be if it wasn't so ridiculously dangerous.

    Erm...

    That's a narrow road, with a footpath so that pedestrians are less likely to get mown down, and with a wide section so that oncoming vehicles can pass each other.

    You are totally wrong, I know this road well and that is NOT a footpath - it is exclusively a "traffic calming" measure. There is no footpath on this road, the reason being that there is a public bridleway that runs through the field alongside and that is specifically designed for pedestrians to ensure they do not need to walk on the road (which is obviously too narrow to support a footpath).

    You are right that the sign says "Passing Place" but that is just a cute expression for "stop here or crash into the fucking great bit of concrete we stuck in the road for no reason". It may look like a pavement but trust me, it isn't. This is standard practice for "traffic calming" except normally they put metal/concrete bollards on there as well, just for an extra "fuck you":

    [image]
  • Jeremy (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Jeremy:
    Erm...

    That's a narrow road, with a footpath so that pedestrians are less likely to get mown down, and with a wide section so that oncoming vehicles can pass each other.

    You are totally wrong, I know this road well and that is NOT a footpath - it is exclusively a "traffic calming" measure. There is no footpath on this road, the reason being that there is a public bridleway that runs through the field alongside and that is specifically designed for pedestrians to ensure they do not need to walk on the road (which is obviously too narrow to support a footpath).

    Fair enough, but even without the pavement it's not wide enough for vehicles to pass comfortably, is it?

    Anonymous:
    Anonymous:
    For an extra kick, notice the sign there - the sign that warns you after you've passed the fucking thing.

    You are right that the sign says "Passing Place"

    So not totally wrong, then.

    Anonymous:
    but that is just a cute expression for "stop here or crash into the fucking great bit of concrete we stuck in the road for no reason".

    No, it's a cute expression for "this wide bit won't last forever - up ahead it goes narrow again, just like it has been up to now". And the other little round sign on the post reinforces that by saying "best go through here slowish, Ayrton". All before you've passed the fucking thing.

    Anonymous:
    This is standard practice for "traffic calming" except normally they put metal/concrete bollards on there as well, just for an extra "fuck you":

    [image]

    Or perhaps the (reflective) bollards are there to make it visible.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Jeremy
    Jeremy:
    ...Or perhaps the (reflective) bollards are there to make it visible.
    So nice of the council to think of our safety! You know what would be even safer? Not putting pointless obstacles in the middle of public roads.
  • Bill's Kid (unregistered) in reply to slavik262
    slavik262:
    Matt Westwood:
    tin:
    Jerry:
    Guess what, cops! We don't like speed traps either. In many cases it is just glorified highway robbery: I pass your ambush, you threaten me with my weapons to extract some cash.

    Only with this modern version, it's all legal... Conflict of interest really, since the fines go to the government, who is the ones setting the "safe" speed limit. Need more legally obtained non-tax revenue? Simply lower the speed limits on roads people are known to want to go fast on (highways, etc), and send the police out for some easy pickings.

    Merely a tax on the impatient.

    In the UK there is a campaign to make the speed limit 20 mph in all built-up/residential areas. It's already 20 outside most schools, and there are speed bumps and "traffic calming measures" that cause expensive damage to your vehicle if you exceed such a speed. The ostensible reason is for "greenness" because nobody has been able to explain to the stupes in control that driving a car at 20 mph is significantly less efficient than driving it at 30.

    Studies have shown that for every life a speed bump ostensibly saves by making you drive slower, many more are lost due to the delays it causes to emergency vehicles.

    On the other hand, ambulance chasing lawyers don't have to drive as fast...

  • Bosshog (unregistered)

    I remember a time where we needed to generate some trivial random test data for another team.

    We wrote a script to produce a stream of scores-out-of-ten.

    The first run produced something like "1, 1, 6, 2, 8".

    This was immediately deemed unsatisfactory because of the two successive "1"s - apparently this was "not random enough".

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to John Muller
    John Muller:
    Consider that for every hour you spend driving you have x% chance of getting into an accident, reducing the time you spend driving would reduce the chances of an accident.

    So, by driving twice as fast, you cut the chances of an accident in half.

    My first reaction to this was that it was a joke. Like the old gag, "Officer, I was speeding because my brakes don't work, and I wanted to get home quickly before I was in an accident."

    But there's an interesting idea here. Suppose you're making a long drive, one that will last many hours. The longer you drive, the more tired you get, and therefore the more likely to make mistakes. So by driving a little faster, you reduce the total length of the trip and therefore you reduce the "tiredness factor". Would this outweigh the added danger of driving faster? I think a very plausible theory would be that on a highway, a modest increase in speed would add very little to danger and might well be less then the impact of being more tired from a long drive.

    And yes, yes, I'm sure someone will say that you should stop driving and take a break when you get tired. But it's not like there is a specific point where you are too tired too continue driving, that there is zero chance of an accident if you take a break at 3 hours but 100% chance if you continue driving for 3 hours and 2 seconds.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    John Muller:
    Consider that for every hour you spend driving you have x% chance of getting into an accident, reducing the time you spend driving would reduce the chances of an accident.

    So, by driving twice as fast, you cut the chances of an accident in half.

    My first reaction to this was that it was a joke. Like the old gag, "Officer, I was speeding because my brakes don't work, and I wanted to get home quickly before I was in an accident."

    But there's an interesting idea here. Suppose you're making a long drive, one that will last many hours. The longer you drive, the more tired you get, and therefore the more likely to make mistakes. So by driving a little faster, you reduce the total length of the trip and therefore you reduce the "tiredness factor". Would this outweigh the added danger of driving faster? I think a very plausible theory would be that on a highway, a modest increase in speed would add very little to danger and might well be less then the impact of being more tired from a long drive.

    I test this theory every day on my 1400cc sportsbike (no joke) and I'm 100% still alive. The system works, folks. Less time on the road means more time being alive, never forget that.

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