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That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.
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EDI...when last we met, I was but the inmate, now I am the master!
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TRWTF is going to prison for being poor. The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support. What a terrible person. How dare he not have money. We'll fix that by locking him up until he has some.
The other WTF is the commenters talking about how a guy jailed for not paying child support is probably going to steal or blow shit up.
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Yes, hiring and interviews. I interviewed for a company that had big ideas and wanted some help in developing their product. It was to be shown on TV and all that (they even produced a TV ad). Well it all sounded good, and I was going through an agency who was passing on offers to me. They were a small startup, and the "original" software was a bunch of scripts that ran on an embedded Linux box (it wasn't too bad but did have some limitations. I had some experience on the hardware platform (Mini-ITX, which works quite well) they had prototyped it on, but I also understood the cost ratios of equipment to selling price and wondered how they were going to sell it for the price point they had selected. Also it was to be a consumer product, and I asked a relative how they presently do the task they were about to simplify, and she replied that it was pretty easy with her current PC hardware, and that her 5 year old daughter (at the time) could do the task at hand. So, with my market research (OK product, but terrible market), I said I was interested. Then I got the offer, and at $48k (I suspect that people right out of high school could get this), I politely declined. They said that there would be a raise "immediately" as they didn't want to pay the agency too much of a fee. The next counter offer was $60k (a little bit better, but I was making $40/hr ($80k by my rough calculation), and I declined that as well. Lastly they wanted me as a consultant, and I declined that as well, feeling that they weren't going to be in business for very long and being paid would be a BIG hassle.
At last check, they still have their web site up (I just checked) and even have a big testimonial from a celebrity as well. I don't see the item outside of the web site (I kept an eye out), so I don't believe there are much in sales. So, it was for the best.
SIGH a simple lesson, learned (thankfully NOT the hard way!).
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Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.
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As HR at our company taught us, if you are publicly traded and 3 years later your stock shoots up, a person who feels improper factors used in the hiring decision was made could target you. In the US, it is a Bad Idea to leave any sort of opportunity for litigation. Even if the grounds are bogus, often it is cheaper to settle than to let it go to court.
This particular example is very egregious and you could be successfully sued for discriminating on marital status, and in some states (sadly only a handful), sexual orientation. The company in this story would actually deserve that.
Individually, yes, it would be ridiculous for me, the competent applicant, to just move on. However, as a company, you need to be very careful to minimize your attack surface for the opportunists.
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This is simple logic, as understood by every "strong on crime" politician promising to make the world safer for innocent babies.
Well, if you had a choice between hiring a criminal and hiring a law-abiding author of the worst of the WTFs to show up on this site, wouldn't you want to hire the law abiding citizen?Admin
I agree that getting sent to the pokey for non-payment of child support hardly qualifies you as a hardened criminal. However, if I were hiring someone for an IT gig, the liability of hiring someone who came to you via Dice.com (Jail Edition) would weigh on my mind. If you hire someone who steals all of your customer data, that's bad. But imagine the field day the lawyers would have if they found out you hired someone who sent you a resume from jail. As a hiring manager, unless there was some amazing talent that this person brought to the table, the cons (ahem) would outweigh the pros.
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LOL at "Dice.com (Jail Edition)"
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I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.
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I think the guy just wanted to make sure his employees have families and won't browse porn and jerk off on their workplace
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I gotta call bullshit on this, every employment application i have ever filled out in my life has it worded with "convicted." Never once have i found it the other way.
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It seems that half of the comments on here are explaining English language constructs to... An English Gentleman?!?
Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.
Except the Cheesemakers. They kick ass.
But then, they're really cultural descendants of nomadic Arabs. Minus the trying to blow you up parts.
Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.
You know, the French.
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And those who make the wines and cognacs :)
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I think he was commenting on how "family friendly" is often synonymous with "family values" and how a number of people who insist on "family values" often have beliefs that are incompatible with the concept of having a child out of wedlock.
But yeah the insistence on kids/children to be considered for employment is just weird. The desire for the person to have procreated, regardless of martial status, is just sort of creepy.
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Still, a nice Beaujolais is nice.
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I'd much rather do this:
"We expect all of our employees to have a family, and since you don't now, I need to know when you plan on having one."
"Oh, of course. I left my personal planner at home. Do you think you could send me a letter with these questions and I can fax the response back to you? Great, what's your fax number here?"
<one week later>"From the Law Offices of Black, Black, and White...
The letter you sent violates...
... our client is willing to settle this matter out of court for $250,000 ..."
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Or, you know, help the parent find work that pays enough to raise the kid properly, and in the meantime use some of the money that would've gone to the home, and help the parent out a little.
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I remember reading a great case a few years back where a man who was more than likely on the way to debtors prison went to court to appeal and get his child support payments lowered (they were consuming 95% of his income) and the judge increased his payments instead of lowering him, telling him to not be lazy and get another job (he already had three).
So not everyone is just being an irresponsible jackass. Sometimes the system fails. shock horror
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I think we need Alice's Restaurant as the background music to today's WTF.
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But if you have sex/kids out of wed-lock, God hates you. It's true. He told me.
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Let me put this as kindly as possible: you're a goddamned idiot if you're planning to stay with this woman for the duration but not get married. What happens if you go to the hospital? You aren't family, she won't be making those decisions. If you die, she's out on her ass, even if you both pay the mortgage. Seriously, what the hell?
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Actually that can be quite hard... Not the proving the loss of income, etc. He was proven "not guilty" in court of the assault, it never said the assault didn't happen. This along with some messed up protection laws that have gotten out of hand, can in some states, prevent the defendant from suing for damages on the off chance he really did assault her and just wasn't caught for it.
Though, it is a different matter if it was (somehow) proven to have been impossible for the assault to have taken place.
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When i went to hospital, she cames to me without any problems as well as my mother did. When she was in hospital i had no problems too. Just signed paper at the hospital, that she should get full access to all info (as well as other papers like that i do understand the treatment and so on). No problems was here. Mortgage is written to her and we could pay it any moment we want in cash, but it is better for us to let it go its way and use those money other way. But the mortgage leftover is smaller, than i/her have on my/her respective accounts. Anyway if she would die, i would inherite and vice versa. We do not live in USA, so maybe the law is different here from what you are used to. (And if there would be some obstacles, we can marry if we want get some kind of papers just for that purpose. No one of us just see it needed just now.)
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But my invisible friend told me, that your invisible friend is only imaginary, so i should not rely on what he tells you until he came and tell it to me too :)
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What he actually meant was that he knew gay people made the best employees because they didn't have the family commitments that required them to keep certain home hours, but because of US law couldn't actually ask the question explicitly so attempted to finesse it from him through the back door (as it were).
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Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.
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You know what condoms are?? Or birth control pills? Vasectomy? There are many ways to prevent having children, and I hope you are employing at least 2 of them.
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I don't understand this. So he is an ex (err current) con, why not give him access to your system? The point of prison is to rehabilitate people. Once they are out of jail, they are supposed to be rehabilitated and are able to rejoin society.
Are you guys saying ONLY excons steal and embezle? Or only excons can write messed up code? Or ONLY excons will write code to syphon off the extra .1 cents?
I don't get it, if he was qualified, why not give him a chance? Yeah, it doesn't sound like he was qualified, but that wasn't really the point.
A good lawyer will have a field day with any insurance company that balks because you hired an excon.
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Right. Because you don't really think he's having a great time. You just hate your shitty life and have an unrequited need to feel superior to others.
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TRWTF is Europeans claiming they're submitting CVs, when no one really wants a CV. A CV should be dozens of pages by the time you're 40.
Captcha: incassum I play the lottery every day, just incassum lucky.
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Seriously? Did you wiki that? Hopefully someday you get laid. LAID
BTW, love the website.
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Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
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