• Soviut (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    This type of crap just pisses me off. Seriously.. how do these people do it?! I have a hard enough time getting my foot into the door at half (or less) of regular developer's pay, yet my work is magnitudes greater than this garbage. Damn I wish I could change industries. This one is too dependent on who you know and how well you can con people.

    That's MOST industries. The animation industry I work in is almost entirely based on who you know. But you still have to be good otherwise you could get quickly blacklisted. The only time I've found this problem really fall through is when someone is a good animator/designer/whatever but a total douchebag. A lot of people are willing to tolerate their BS because of their skills.

    As far as new student hires and such, its usually college teachers who bring in the cream of the crop.

  • (cs) in reply to WhiskeyJack
    WhiskeyJack:
    Anyone else get pissed off when they clicked the ad and got to the men's shirt page by default?

    Yeah. I was in shock for a moment until I realized I had to click the little link above the box. That was 4 days ago, though, so I got over it.

  • just someone (unregistered)

    Don't mean to be rude, but does anyone else read Jake's postings two or three times looking for a missing punchline?

  • I walked the dinosaur (unregistered) in reply to WhiskeyJack

    Your comment lines up pretty good with the Irish girl!

  • nat42 (unregistered) in reply to Stupidumb
    Stupidumb:
    MadJo@Work:
    Fishcake:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting. Reading, reading, scroll up the page and - BAM!

    But has anyone actually bought a t-shirt?

    Only if she came with it.
    DOUBLE ENTENDRE

    Ummm

    [image]
  • Amos (unregistered) in reply to WhiskeyJack
    WhiskeyJack:
    Zebra:
    But besides that, a real sweet and sensual girly face. A+ material.

    Anyone else get pissed off when they clicked the ad and got to the men's shirt page by default?

    At least I'm not alone

  • 300baud (unregistered)

    The Real Slashdot Effect: when a formerly decent site goes all to shit, but people keep going there anyhow because they're too lazy to change.

  • (cs)

    A similar subject came up the other day in the vein of "I don't know it, but I'm a fast learner so I could pick it up".

    I would feel comfortable hiring a PHP programmer to take a python, perl, or ASP position. Especially if the programmer had experience with more than one "web" language under their belt.

    But I wouldn't necessarily hire a java programmer for a COBOL position. Or a FORTRAN expert to work on some PHP scripts.

    There needs to be a good deal of crossover with the concepts unless the employee is being hired for long-term success. If you're dealing with a 6 month contract, you don't have time to wait for the new guy to learn C++, all your processes, and all your business logic.

  • Sally the seashell (unregistered)

    I'm rather perterbed, I had the first post on this originally and someone nuked it! Bastards! It said "I wish I could get the two minutes of my life I spent reading this WTF back"

  • Pope (unregistered) in reply to Hans
    Hans:
    Yeah, IT processes are messed up badly. I was just talking to a friend about the same thing, actually: IT in general is too often considered to be "the problem" rather than "the solution". It doesn't make for a very nice working environment.

    I've noticed that a lot of IT people in their mid-thirties to early forties are leaving IT (or considering it), and moving to completely unrelated industries. Is that just in my environment, or does it happen everywhere?

    What are your experiences?

    Agreed. I've seen it happen in a few different places. However, I have a hard time believing it's different in any other field. I mean, doctors can only give an educated guess; mechanics are the same way; pretty much every specialized field relies on guessing based on what you know. The problem is not the field, it's the people. We all expect perfection but most don't deliver when it's our turn. It's like we feel obligated to give crap to the person who is providing a service. Probably based on the times we've been screwed over.

  • (cs) in reply to akatherder
    akatherder:
    There needs to be a good deal of crossover with the concepts unless the employee is being hired for long-term success. If you're dealing with a 6 month contract, you don't have time to wait for the new guy to learn C++, all your processes, and all your business logic.
    Agreed. Contractors need to know their stuff, or don't bother coming in. We either bring on contractors or contract to hire. I don't think we well hire another direct hire. Too risky legally because you can't up and fire them if they suck without documentation, but you can always let a contract run out.

    We got burned once before with a direct hire. He was a walking dictionary of technical terms, but couldn't code his way out of an endless loop. All of our interviews now include the developer writing code. I may start including a test on debugging. It amazes me the number of .NET candidates that have no idea how to debug in Visual Studio.

  • Dutch (unregistered)

    Finally found the irish girl everyone keeps talking about, the pictures convinced me to turn of Adblock for this site...

  • (cs) in reply to ben
    ben:
    Anyone with a smidgen of web development experience could have *done* this job in a month.

    Indeed. Either the description in the story is very misleading, or the people running this project have a gift for finding incompetent implementors. I just built a handful of pages for a web app the other day, in clean, concise, commented, conformant XHTML and CSS, in a couple of hours the other day, and that's not an area I normally work in.

    Clue one is table-driven layout, of course. If the designs couldn't easily and cleanly be implemented with CSS divs, floats, display types, sizing, and positioning, then the design needed reworking. If they could, then tables were the wrong choice. It's time to stop supporting archaic user agents and ugly layout hacks.

  • A Gould (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    Stupidumb:
    I think his problem is that he is performing correctly during interviews. That is a huge mistake. You have to make yourself out to be the biggest fucking hotshot in the world and claim to have 85 years experience using ever programming language and tool. Basically: lie; lie harder than everyone else.

    I think that's the problem. I tell the truth in interviews. Even if I put aside my morals, I'd end up worrying the whole time that I'd be caught.

    As an alternative to lying, heavy assertiveness can go a long way - being confident in what you do know and can do (and conversely, what you don't know and can't do). Most interviewers don't know what they're doing because they hire infrequently (and the ones that do probably don't know the job details well). If you were interviewed, you've already passed a large technical hurdle; now you're trying to be "the guy" - the person that they want to work with, go for beers with, etc, etc, etc. Personality counts for a lot - assuming you don't choke on the mandatory tech questions, of course. :)

  • (cs) in reply to MadJo@Work
    MadJo@Work:
    Fishcake:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting. Reading, reading, scroll up the page and - BAM!

    But has anyone actually bought a t-shirt?

    Only if she came with it.
    Your sperm count is low, boy. I'd check at the local lube center.

    (1) She's not Irish. (2) Apparently, you can't buy one without the stupid wrapping paper. I've tried. You'd have thought you'd get a discount or something, but apparently the Spitzer case is causing unexpected shipping problems. (3) Nice to know that y'all like redheads, since half of my family are redheads. We're kind of sick of being beaten on as the ugly step-children round here.

  • (cs) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    (1) She's not Irish.
    Do you know her? Anyways, we don't know her name, and at the moment she's modeling for an Irish shirt, so she's Irish Girl.
    real_aardvark:
    (3) Nice to know that y'all like redheads, since half of my family are redheads. We're kind of sick of being beaten on as the ugly step-children round here.
    Redheads are friggin' hot. Unfortunately, the ones I've dealt with are also complete biotches. Also, I'm married, so no chance of getting one anyways. Heh.
  • Franz Kafka (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    Zebra:
    Ah well, she has a bit of a pointy chin, a stuck eyebrow and a nose you would really have to see from the side to able to give a true judgement.

    But besides that, a real sweet and sensual girly face. A+ material.

    The chin is a big pointy, but hey.. everyone has at least one flaw. It's not that big of a deal.

    [image]

    Is this the same girl? The lighting differences between the three pics is throwing me off if it is.

    Oh no, not the chin! I totally dig her - firecracker represent!

  • vman (unregistered) in reply to chris_s
    chris_s:
    DeLos:
    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    You found this link on Fark didn't you?

    Sharp knees!

  • ... (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    DeLos:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting.

    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    You have never been laid before, have you?

    I "conquer."

  • ... (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    DeLos:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting.

    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    You have never been laid before, have you?

    I "conquer."

  • I walked the dinosaur (unregistered)

    This is not a place to discuss the article. Discuss only the Irish Girl or GTFO!

  • (cs) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    (1) She's not Irish.

    How do you know she's not irish? Sure fits the stereotype so far.

  • (cs) in reply to I walked the dinosaur
    I walked the dinosaur:
    This is not a place to discuss the article. Discuss only the Irish Girl or GTFO!
    You guys know this site has forums too, right?
  • some guy (unregistered) in reply to DeLos
    DeLos:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting.

    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    You must not like women.

  • (cs) in reply to magetoo
    magetoo:
    You guys know this site has forums too, right?

    Since when is protocol followed here? We also have a tag cloud, but do you think it actually has useful tags?

  • Dom (unregistered)

    the real wtf is "renegociations". Who does the spell checks on these?

    Free the mallocs! http://www.odierno.com Free software and cool t-shirts.

  • Py (unregistered) in reply to Dom
    Dom:
    the real wtf is "renegociations". Who does the spell checks on these?

    I was just about to say the same thing.

  • Cornelius (unregistered)

    I figured that the back end wouldn't really be complete. Oh well.

  • Yorch (unregistered)

    Dammit! you kept talking and talking about the irish girl so I enabled javascript to see her and now I'm in love

    Damn you all!!!

  • (cs) in reply to Yorch
    Yorch:
    Dammit! you kept talking and talking about the irish girl so I enabled javascript to see her and now I'm in love

    Damn you all!!!

    Were my posts containing the larger versions not visible enough for you? They didn't require Javascript.

    At any rate: Enjoy the firecracker's hotness!

  • Yorch (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    Yorch:
    Dammit! you kept talking and talking about the irish girl so I enabled javascript to see her and now I'm in love

    Damn you all!!!

    Were my posts containing the larger versions not visible enough for you? They didn't require Javascript.

    At any rate: Enjoy the firecracker's hotness!

    mmmmm, nope, those are probably blocked by my company's Websense... anyway, now I have a reason to check the site when I get home

  • runamok (unregistered) in reply to DeLos

    God I hate when people criticize the looks of women on the interweb. You should be required to post a picture of yourself and all three women you have slept with in your life before being allowed to talk crap.

  • ben (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    Amen! The only shirts we (my wife and I) have bought are ones that simply state "Ireland" and have the Irish flag and a clover on them. The styling is different enough to make them unique from each other. Also, mine's gray and her's is white. We got the shirts because we both have Irish heritage.

    You have so much Irish heritage you don't know what a SHAMROCK is, eh? You're probably looking forward to drinking green beer on 'St Patty's Day".

  • (cs) in reply to ben
    ben:
    You have so much Irish heritage you don't know what a SHAMROCK is, eh? You're probably looking forward to drinking green beer on 'St Patty's Day".

    Ewww.. beer. And I didn't say my parents are fresh off the boat. No one calls them shamrocks in the US.

  • (cs) in reply to Yorch
    Yorch:
    mmmmm, nope, those are probably blocked by my company's Websense... anyway, now I have a reason to check the site when I get home

    Okay. Guess I'm going to have to use my own space for images, then. Too many places have ImageShack banned. It's not like I come close to using up my bandwidth each month.

  • (cs) in reply to runamok
    runamok:
    God I hate when people criticize the looks of women on the interweb. You should be required to post a picture of yourself and all three women you have slept with in your life before being allowed to talk crap.
    You know that wouldn't work. How would anyone determine if the pics are fake? Also, I have only slept with two women in my life, so I couldn't meet your criteria for identification.

    But, that's ok. I'm not talking smack about Irish Girl. I was one of the first to point her out as being a firecracker.

  • I walked the dinosaur (unregistered) in reply to runamok
    runamok:
    God I hate when people criticize the looks of women on the interweb. You should be required to post a picture of yourself and all three women you have slept with in your life before being allowed to talk crap.

    But we would all be able to see in the pixels and in the shadows that they are all photoshopped!

  • MM (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    No one calls them shamrocks in the US.
    Ummm... which US do you live in? I've always heard them called shamrocks whenever they're being used as an Irish symbol. (Though the plant itself is called a clover in other contexts.)
  • ben (unregistered) in reply to AbbydonKrafts
    AbbydonKrafts:
    . No one calls them shamrocks in the US.

    When in a hole, keep digging. That always helps.The Irish national symbol is always referred to as the shamrock. Always. If it isn't, you're doing it wrong. Going with four leaves instead of three is another popular way of doing it wrong.

    What "Irish heritage" do you suppose you're celebrating if you don't have the first clue of what's involved or why?

  • (cs) in reply to DeLos
    DeLos:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting.

    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    Long, flowing hair. The color is a nice bonus.

  • Frenchier than thou (unregistered) in reply to DeLos

    Says the virgin.

    I for one, uh, I-Irish I was there!

  • (cs) in reply to ben
    ben:
    What "Irish heritage" do you suppose you're celebrating if you don't have the first clue of what's involved or why?

    Where did I say celebrating? I said I bought a shirt because of it. Period. Nowhere did I say I was going out to the various drinking and leprechaun festivals that the local college kids are going to do. "Acknowledging" would be a more appropriate term for what I'm doing.

    I apologize to the apparently Irish nationals in here that obviously took extreme offense to their national symbol being called a clover when at any other time that is its name around here.

  • Frenchier than thou (unregistered) in reply to ben

    The heritage of drinking pints of good beer in a pub with (optional) traditional Irish music... until I meet the floor.

    Hey, any excuse to have a good time is welcome!

    Heritage is overrated anyway :-P

  • vote colbert (unregistered)

    http://www.bustedtees.com/bt/images/BT-stewartcolbert-gallery-1106.jpg

    As to her Irishness: Can somebody ascertain that using her background and Google Earth?

  • Morgan (unregistered) in reply to vote colbert

    I can't speak for her heritage, but I'm fairly sure she is born and bred American: this link provides some useful background information for potential stalkers.

    As for this WTF, no comment. I don't consider it a WTF at all; my second-year software engineering lecturer told us a story like this every week for a year.

  • D. T. North (unregistered) in reply to Chris Ridenour
    Chris Ridenour:
    DeLos:
    WhiskeyJack:
    That Irish girl is distracting.

    She's subpar at best. It'd take some drinking and some convincing.

    This is today's real WTF.

    Agreed. Irish girl is cute. Though, as a prerequisite, you should probably have some natural attraction to redheads or at least irish girls.

    Besides...it's a fun pun.

  • pheabo (unregistered) in reply to runamok
    runamok:
    You should be required to post a picture of yourself and all three women you have slept with in your life before being allowed to talk crap.

    Ok, I'll dig up a jpeg of myself, but do you think you could ask your mom if she still has any pictures of the 4-way I had with her, your sister, and your girlfriend?

  • (cs) in reply to pheabo
    pheabo:
    runamok:
    You should be required to post a picture of yourself and all three women you have slept with in your life before being allowed to talk crap.

    Ok, I'll dig up a jpeg of myself, but do you think you could ask your mom if she still has any pictures of the 4-way I had with her, your sister, and your girlfriend?

    oh my god; the originality!!!

    Look, I can be a predictable lame-o too: Did you get your mum to help you come up with that joke?

  • j (unregistered)

    nah what's really great about being an in house developer is when your company decides to outsource a huge project, then has you develop it, all the while telling you that it's only for a demo, so you take shortcuts and write the nastiest code and most awful functions just to get a "month" long project working in five days.

    Then they tell you that you have to give your code to the outsourced vendor because they aren't going to meet the deadline. How does a team of consultants not deliver a project quicker than one in house developer?

    So I said screw it, I'll join the consultants :) At lease they aren't cost centers and some consulting firms actually have pretty amazing benefits.

  • j (unregistered)

    someone posted that they were having a hard time landing an IT job.

    Do you live in an urban area? I live in Chicago, and have about two years .NET (C# and VB) experience. Over the last year I've switched jobs twice. Each time I've looked for a job a total of two weeks. I'm guessing there's lots of .NET work out there.

    As far as interviewing, the best thing you can do in my opinion is create a narrative. Don't just make yourself a keyword + length of experience candidate. There's a four year gap on my resume between my bachelors and first real world programming job. They always ask about it. So i tell them that during that time I was a photographer and videographer for the porn industry. If it's a guy recruiting me it always leads to an itneresting conversation and they remember me. Seems to work for me.

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