- Feature Articles
- CodeSOD
- Error'd
- Forums
-
Other Articles
- Random Article
- Other Series
- Alex's Soapbox
- Announcements
- Best of…
- Best of Email
- Best of the Sidebar
- Bring Your Own Code
- Coded Smorgasbord
- Mandatory Fun Day
- Off Topic
- Representative Line
- News Roundup
- Editor's Soapbox
- Software on the Rocks
- Souvenir Potpourri
- Sponsor Post
- Tales from the Interview
- The Daily WTF: Live
- Virtudyne
Admin
Only when spoken while chewing about 100 grams of well-masticated chewing gum - otherwise it's a foreign language.
Admin
Have found it necessary to make cold calls 4 or 5 times in the past 2 decades, most times for new technology. Also found the real decision makers to be the most responsive to realistic new possibilities.
Mass telemarketing for sales, pre-sales, etc. is another matter. A 3 year-old is great when a persona calls. Used to get quite a few computerized survey calls; no human involved in the call. Upon answering such a call, the receiver would get placed on whatever noisy household appliance was running to ensure the recording system would have audio to track. Hung up when that off-hook tone became noticeable. Took over a year before they reprogrammed those systems to stop calling that number...
Admin
A company here in Denmark has turned dealing with cold callers into a fine art.
Enjoy: www.wedonotuse.com
/Bo
Admin
Surely, that mail's subject line is supposed to read "Urgent business proposal".
Admin
I once worked in a company where everyone tried to invent new ways to discourage cold callers; we even created a website for that specific purpose:
WeDoNotUse.com
Admin
I often hand the phone to my 5 year old daughter. She rabbles on about what she did at school that day, and what she is about to eat for dinner. Its amazing how long these sales people hang on for.
Admin
Being a foreigner, Dane, I appologize for any bad English in this post.
I just wanted to share a story from Denmark, where a company has begun telling cold callers (assuming I understand what a cold call is) "We don't use that here". Even when they try selling phones, toiletpaper, copying machines etc. The funniest part is where a research & polling company calls them up, and asks "I would like to speak to the person i charge of telephony" and they answer "We dont use that here".
Click the "Union Jack" to see English text. http://www.vibrugerikke.dk/
Admin
"Hi, gays"
He was deciding on whether to write "guys" or "gals" and just decided to go for the syntactical AND semantical middle ground?
Admin
is it just me that thinks that it was odd for him to give out he email address to a cold caller ?
Admin
So my phone rang. It was for my predecessor and the receptionist had it transferred to me.
What's important to know is that I had gotten the promotion the way princes get promoted to kings: My predecessor ("Bob Smith") had died almost two years before the call.
ColdCaller: Can I please talk to "Bob Smith"? Me: Bob is "no longer with the firm". Can I help you? CC: Oh, I'm ____ from ____. Bob was interested in buying our product. Me: When did you last speak to Bob? CC: Uhm, just a few weeks ago - he was very interested ... Me: No you didn't and no he wasn't. <Click>
Admin
My favourite put down so far was when someone phoned me to offer a new phone service. I asked them if it had an option to block cold callers and waited for the idea to sink in. To be fair, they got the idea quite quickly.
Admin
Check out this site for ideas on handling cold callers: http://www.wedonotuse.com/
Cheers, Morten
Admin
I once stopped a persistent financial services consultant in his tracks. After several minutes of patter, he started talking about a special package for professionals:
"Do you have any professional qualifications, Jonathan?"
"Yes Mark, I'm a trained killer."
(I served in the British Army).
Admin
Yes, but can they pronounce Schenectady, or better yet, Niskayuna? Unless they're calling from "1 River Road", the answer is, probably not.
Frank
Admin
I happen to live about 35 miles from where I work in Manhattan, and the commute is about an hour in and 90 minutes out at the end of the day. Given MapQuest, it's amazing that head hunters don't understand why I won't commute further than this!
Admin
I dont know if its sad or not, but the above is completely reasonable to me. Apart from the misplaced @ the rest (including the acronyms like SLA: Service Level Agreement, an important part of any client/support relationship) seems quite..well..normal.
Admin
I usually have fun with these guys. I am not the "Decision Maker" that they are looking for, but I talked to my manager and he gave me the go ahead to pretend to be him. I usually talk very slowly and make my answers short and uncertain. Typically, they want to add you to a list or send you something. I usually tell them that we don't have phones/email or that we don't read. When telling them that I/we can't read, I usually do it in a shameful tone and try to make them feel bad about it. If they ask why/how we don't have phones/email, I tell them it is to cut down on costs.
Cheers!
Admin
If I do have the time, I still tend to prefer not to waste it like that. Once I tell someone politely for the 2nd time I am not interested and they start going again, if I am home, I hand the phone to my daughter (she just turned two). I have heard them actually trying to coax her to give the phone to daddy, as if it were not perfectly clear by that point that I was done. At work, no, I just say, goodbye and hang up.
Admin
I see more and more of these people, but strangely they're prospective clients. Suddenly their "professional approach" becomes less of an issue.
Admin
No he was too chicken for that :)
Being a cold caller is quite possibly the most thankless job ive ever done, thank gawd Im a developer now ....
Admin
I Have driven from NYC to my home in Massena, NY which is about as far as you can drive in NY state South to North, and it is about an 8 hour drive. So yes, unless you are driving 30 miles an hour the whole 16 hour thing is a bit off.
Admin
Couldn't agree more. I now live in Albany, but used to live in Plattsburgh. Back when the speed limit was 55 on both the Adirondack Northway and the Thruway, it used to take 8 hours to travel from Plattsburgh to Buffalo (I used to do it once a month or so).
Glad I wasn't the only one to spot this. :-)
Admin
That's quite a step up!
Food Chain:
(worst) -> cold caller -> CEO from McAfee/Network Associates (pick one) -> project manager -> bacteria -> accountant -> HP's Board of Directors (pick any three) -> politician -> developer -> garbage collection professional -> software architect -> lawn care professional -> catholic bishop -> bean bag girl -> slobby lottery winner that survives on pizza and beer and doesn't have to change their underwear for months on end (just turn 'em inside out every other week)
Ah, nirvana.
Admin
I do the same thing with the door-to-door salesmen and/or religion pushers. Had a great conversation about Japanese animation with a couple of Mormons last week. Took about 20 minutes, and I'm not sure if they even realized they never got their "come to our church" spiel out.
It can be such great fun if you've got the time free for killing.
Admin
My previous post was supposed to be replying to this one.
I swear, I will someday figure out this forum software. I hope.
Admin
Sigh. This and all of the other posts so far regarding geography are, for those of you who don't live in the U.S., a clear indication of a) the provincialism of many Americans, and b) the failure of American schools to provide any sort of geographic education whatsoever.
I myself live in Colorado, which is 2000 miles from New York City and about 1000 from Los Angeles.
A bit OT here, but a sample of the problem:
When I was applying for college in the mid-1980s, I heard a story (maybe true, maybe not) of some flunky in the admissions office of an East-Coast college (not mine, thank the FSM) who, when encountering the application of a student from New Mexico, asked him to provide current visa information and the scores from his Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL), which is required of all non-native-English-speaking foreign students who apply to American colleges. The kicker, of course, is that New Mexico is a state and the student in question was not only a citizen by birth but a native English-speaker.
Admin
Admin
My new pricing model is unstoppable!
Admin
My mother is pretty sympathetic that way, especially to callers with accents. She tries to turn them down, but she can't bring herself to hang up on them until they give up. After a while my Dad will usually take over (he has no such problem). Then he'll ask her why she puts up with them, and she'll say "I felt sorry for him. He probably used to be a doctor in his old country".
Admin
I don't have a problem hanging up while they're talking, because I know they're going to keep on pushing and pushing no matter what I say. No use arguing, no use reasoning, no use waiting for them to finish. I just say, "I'm going to hang up now," and do it. But I don't try to fk with their minds. They're just trying to bring home some groceries. I'm sure they'd rather be writing software and earning the medium-sized bucks too, but there it is.
Admin
I love the * Account Executive * title combined with the "dialing for dollars" approach. It
Admin
I guess we're all just common manure-shovelers, and easily replaced.
Admin
Wow, that looks just like the specs I received this morning, asking for (I think??) a new stored procedure to be written.
Admin
That made NO sense because I forgot to hit the damned QUOTE button :-(
I was referring to this:
Admin
If you can speak the language properly, you can't earn the business respectfully. People buy from people, if you can only make someone buy from you through pity, do to your lack of sale skills, how can you ever be successful? You can’t… eventually you drag along, scratching for sales until your company has a long enough paper trail to get rid of you.
Admin
I was once hired to work customer service at a now-defunct finance company specializing in mobile home financing. That was depressing enough, because I got to hear some real sob stories from people trying to reach their collectors (who kept bankers hours and weren't very good about returning voice mail). Then the company expanded into traditional mortgages and got some of the customer service reps to start making cold calls enticing people to refinance their house. Oh, but we were to tell people we weren't selling anything -- we were just collecting information for a "survey". (Survey schmurvey -- it was a mortgage application, which would result in a credit check and a callback from an actual loan officer.) It sucked -- calling people up during dinner to ask if they'd like to refinance their house, claiming that it's technically not telemarketing. Phenomenally rude, IMHO. I didn't get really mad about the job until the day they were pulling reps over to work telemarketing even though the customer service phone queue was actually full (meaning that our customer service line was giving out a busy signal). The company had messed up priorities throughout the business, though. That was just the day I realized it personally.
Admin
At least the guy is trying. I tried to buy anti virus software for our new server from two companies and ran into road blocks with both. WTF do you have to do to spend money these days?
Admin
Not that far away, if you compare with Washington, DC vs. Washington state.
Admin
Should be "worse" and "than". (I'm not a native speaker, either.)
Admin
By the same token, you should sympathise thieves and burglars, too. They may also hate to steal or break into others' houses, too. And they may have a family to support, too.
Come on. It's just not right to earn money by making others' unhappy, annoyed, bothered, etc. Whatever the underlying reason. Doing so is selfish and inconsiderate and unjust.
Admin
Be reminded that New Mexico used to belong to Mexico! :)
Admin
Sure, I agree. And just like I let the caller know before I hang up in his mid-sentence, I'll tell the burglar, "It's just business, man... don't take it personally" as I pop a cap in his ass.
Admin
When a friend of mine moved to a new apartment he was surprised to find out that he got no electricity bills. This was because of some kind of error, so they did eventually arrive, but this was after several months.
During the time when he got no bills, he got a call from an electricity company that offered him cheaper electricity than he currently had.
Suprisingly, they had a hard time beating his current deal of paying absolutely nothing. ;)
Captch: scooter (I hate that band)
Admin
90 minutes Montauk to Manhattan? That is damn optimistic.
90 minutes will get you to Riverhead in most circumstances, excepting summer time rush hours. Montauk is another hour from Riverhead, and in the summer midweek it has taken me in excess of two hours. I've done the trip to "Lunch" often enough that I know this well.
Making reasonable but conservative estimates, that means 3 hours Montauk to NYC, 3 hours up to Albany, and about 6 hours out to Buffalo. That totals 12 hours across the state.
Admin
dfadfa
Admin
Thanks for the laugh. As a recently slaughtered PC Mall employee, I love reading about how the company fs up.
Admin
This is hardly new. I kid you not, the first paper we handed in for English, some girl actually wrote the whole thing in the text message shortcuts. The WHOLE DAMN THING. I didn't believe the teacher at first, but I looked, and sure enough, the whole thing.
Needless to say, she didn't get a good grade.
Admin
I actually work with this guy, lol. This is slowly making its way around the sales floor.
We don't actually use a script, templates or a dialer, so every now and then we get a few gems like this.
I'd like to personally apologize if we've offended anyone with out cold calls. Please keep in mind its just business, and we often develop strong relationships with many of our clients. All of which start with a cold call.
Admin
And a final update on this saga, this gentleman no longer works for us.
Admin
A friend of mine had a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses, young ladies, knock on his door to attempt to spread their particular (peculiar?) brand of religion. Since he had just gotten out of the shower, he dropped his towel before opening the door. I don't know anything about the size of his "dongle", but needless to say, no other Jehovah's Witenesses have ever disturbed him in the intervening 20 years since this occurred..