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Nor any other conjunction, neither.
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Interesting...
P.S. I can't feel them, but I can hear them. And it's music to my ears!Admin
It is perfectly grammatical to start sentences with a conjunction. What is not grammatical is writing a sentence fragment as if it were a sentence, regardless of the part of speech of the first word in the sentence. Since so many young students write sentence fragments, thinking that they are writing sentences, by beginning with these connecting words, teachers often tell students not to do so. This eventually was interpreted as a prohibition on the sentence form rather than a simple rule to help prevent the accidental use of fragments.
"Because it's a complete sentence." is not a sentence, but "Because it's a complete sentence, it doesn't matter that it starts with a conjunction." is.
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This is one of those mythical rules, like not ending sentences with a preposition, that exist nowhere but in the minds of fourth grade English teachers (in both senses).
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
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http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001715.html
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I don't think that was the point of that protocol. More likely, the idea is that if there is a log entry showing that somebody was logged in at a certain time, but no corresponding entry on the clipboard, then clearly that person was not who he said he was and wasn't authorized. It's for detecting fishiness after the fact, not preventing it.
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And then you'll be pleased to know this functionality can be enabled in a Windows 2008 domain with Win7 and 2008 clients.
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2008/02/10/showing-last-logon-info-at-logon-in-windows-server-2008.aspx
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Refusing to answer "why?" with a sentence that begins with "because" seems unnatural. It's the way people talk. (This raises another point: conversation needn't obey the rules of formal writing, and discussion in a forum such as this tends toward the conversational side.)
There never was a rule against beginning a sentence with a conjunction. The rule applies specifically to "and", "or", and "but", not ALL conjunctions. (I'm in the camp that believes the rule is stupid and arbitrary, BTW, but that's neither here nor there.)
The post wasn't necessarily defending the rule, merely explaining it.
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I am become Shiva, destroyer of productivity!
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"I is..."
"No, no, always use 'I am'."
"Alright then. I am the ninth letter of the alphabet!"
Captcha: acsi - character set used for bad spelling :)
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Funny, I do it the other way around: never adhere to a rule unless you understand why it is there. Make the rulemaker explain why a rule is necessary or ignore it. "Because I say so" does not make a rule necessary. Also, this makes driving a car so much more interesting.
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That's what you get for making silly buttumptions.
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huh, it just appears as *******'s for me, but if i copy and paste those stars instead of writing them, it appears as hunter2 for you.
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TheDailyWTFAENPBSAG: The Daily Worse-Than-Failure And Endless Nit-Picky Bull Shit About Grammar.
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But I like starting sentences with a conjunction. And it's never been a problem before. Or has it only recently become a problem?
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Still, after a while, the sysadmin realized what was going on and forced me to delete the program and the source code from the system. And that was also the end of the story. It remained between the two of us. Good times. I am also quite sure that nowadays, they would tell the police and throw me out of uni.
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"Why did you write 'the cat sat on the mat'?"
"Because it's a complete sentence."
Sentence fragments are sometimes perfectly appropriate. Death to grammar fascists.
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We a detached process once that listed all the files in a user's directory structure in such a way as to make it look as though it were deleting them all. They pressed ctrl-y in panic, of course, and it said, "Sorry, can't stop" and carried on going. It made one of the programmers in the team burst into tears. Ah, happy days. I still get occasional VAX work even now.
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... sorry, that's "We wrote a detached process ..."
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+1 (Funny)
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If they need to get something done, they use Shiva's login & password. If they have something that isn't so important, they jump through the hoops of the official process, to keep Shiva noticing that things are getting done yet nobody's talking to him.
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A well known investment bank that has since become a victim of the Banking Crisis, had "security" and "security" as the user name and password of the system in their security office that allowed access control and employee payment cards to be configured. Access all areas and a licence to print money - who needs security when "security/security" will do!
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If you don't have an actual source, it's always safe to attribute a quote to Churchill or Wilde if it's even marginally clever. It's sort of the like the "Discovery Channel" rule - if you don't have a real source for a fact you've made up, you can always say "no, it's true, I saw it on the Discovery Channel!"
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The real fun with VMS is to write a program that allocates a bit of non paged pool and copies a routines to it that gets fired by a system timer to change the prompt of one of your friends every 30 seconds.
The nice part is, you can log out and it will continue to run until the system is rebooted, or you track down and cancel the timer. And it is very very hard for someone even your victim to find.
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I suppose the unstated corollary is better illustrated by the story: don't worry about rules that fail to achieve their intended purpose.
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Sure, the fact that someone doesn't "personally understand" a rule is not a valid reason to ignore it. G. K. Chesterton once wrote that if someone tells you that a rule or custom or tradition should be abolished, ask him why it was instituted in the first place. If he can give you a clear answer, and then explain why that reason is no longer applicable or why it was a bad idea to begin with, then maybe he should be allowed to abolish the rule. But if he can't tell you why it was originally invented, he is clearly not qualified to say whether those reasons are good or not.
But on the flip side, to say "it's not in your project's scope to change the process or tell me how much you like it; it is the process" is not valid either. If the only defense anyone can offer for a policy is that it's the policy or that it's in the rule book, it is probably not a good policy.
I've had plenty of conversations that went something like:
Me: "Why are we required to do X. It seems to take a lot of time for no clear benefit." Other person: "Because that's company policy." Me: "But why is that company policy?" Other person: "Because the ZZZ Department put it in the policy book." Me: "Yes, I understand that, but WHY did they create this policy? What purpose does it serve?" Other person: "But I just explained to you! Because the ZZZ Department decided that this should be the rule?" Etc.
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Sure, the fact that someone doesn't "personally understand" a rule is not a valid reason to ignore it. G. K. Chesterton once wrote that if someone tells you that a rule or custom or tradition should be abolished, ask him why it was instituted in the first place. If he can give you a clear answer, and then explain why that reason is no longer applicable or why it was a bad idea to begin with, then maybe he should be allowed to abolish the rule. But if he can't tell you why it was originally invented, he is clearly not qualified to say whether those reasons are good or not.
But on the flip side, to say "it's not in your project's scope to change the process or tell me how much you like it; it is the process" is not valid either. If the only defense anyone can offer for a policy is that it's the policy or that it's in the rule book, it is probably not a good policy.
I've had plenty of conversations that went something like:
Me: "Why are we required to do X. It seems to take a lot of time for no clear benefit." Other person: "Because that's company policy." Me: "But why is that company policy?" Other person: "Because the ZZZ Department put it in the policy book." Me: "Yes, I understand that, but WHY did they create this policy? What purpose does it serve?" Other person: "But I just explained to you! Because the ZZZ Department decided that this should be the rule?" Etc.
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Starting a sentence with a conjunction is perfectly acceptable. See The Chicago Manual of Style, 16th Edition, section 5.206. Similarly, it's also acceptable to end a sentence with a preposition. See section 5.176 of the same.
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This reminds me of an old joke about a village that hired a known pyromaniac as the fire marshal. "So when a fire is started, the fire marshal is instantly present."
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If you don't have an actual source, it's always safe to attribute a quote to Churchill or Wilde if it's even marginally clever.
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I don't understand why so many people are afraid of using 'and' at the beginning of a sentence. It could be worse, imagine people using it at the end of a sentence and.
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I dunno. I hear Vishnu is pretty good with Exchange.
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This was my story and unfortunately the "author" decided to make it 3 to 4 times longer than what I wrote.
It wasn't a hysterically funny story to begin with but the too-clever by half additions made it less funny. Ponderous even.
As far as people's comments as to getting in trouble using someone else's terminal or logging in as someone else. This was a system that was not in full production yet and it was 1987-1988. There wasn't so much emphasis on security back then.
Except as far as Shiva was concerned.
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You have to spoil the fun, don't you?!
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And remember, prepositions are something you never end a sentence with.
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Otherwise known as the English rule for periods around end quotes.
The American rule is simpler: period always inside the quotes.
I have seen some people following the rule: period always outside the quotes. I've no idea where this idea came from.
Even though I am an American, I feel the American rule is, IMHO, stupid - but not as bad as period always outside the quotes.
(Btw, I believe the same holds true for periods around end parentheses (such as these).)