• (disco) in reply to Matt_Westwood

    What Americans are you talking about? I've never heard anyone say "and" that way, and I'm a native speaker of American English.

  • (disco)

    I feel slightly amused at how, instead of bitching about government-ordered software which is invariably abundant in :wtf:s, 90% of the thread is dedicated to bitching about the submitter's name.

  • (disco) in reply to wft
    wft:
    90% of the thread is dedicated to bitching about the submitter's name.

    Government efficiency at it's most devastating!

    I'm so proud of you all… :joy:

  • (disco) in reply to wft
    wft:
    90% of the thread is dedicated to bitching about the submitter's name.

    And a good 31% is dedicated to discussion pronunciation of a name or various other common words.

  • (disco) in reply to Placeholder
    Placeholder:
    NedFodder:
    I saw the same, but I had two tabs open and figured that's what confused the dischorse.
    Only one tab open for me.

    As if that wasn't enough: [image]

    I am almost certain that @Fox was the first person to like this post. The like history agrees. [image]

    I don't think Discourse can tell the difference between foxes anymore.

    As it turns out, I'm not crazy.[Citation Needed] I just got another notification for the second like for this post. Not only that, I found a bug in the button that automatically creates links for you. I take great comfort in the knowledge that we can report these bugs so that they will get fixed eventuallywe will move to a new platform that has bugs that might actually get fixed eventually.

  • (disco) in reply to slavdude

    Continuing the discussion from Single-User Mode:

    slavdude:
    What Americans are you talking about? I've never heard anyone say "and" that way, and I'm a native speaker of American English.

    I hear it on the TV all the time, on those unbearable reality shows my darling wife watches a lot of.

  • (disco) in reply to Matt_Westwood
    Matt_Westwood:
    reality shows

    I found your problem! Everyone knows "reality shows" aren't actual reality!

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    I've never heard anyone say it that way.

    I'm sure I've heard Woody Harelsson pronounce it like that, but I'm not sure if it was in a movie or not.

    Fox:
    Juice is already quite dead. It's basically fruit blood

    Now, let's get some fresh unripe fruits and let's make us some matzoh.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    He had been named after an uncle, who fell out of favor with his mother shortly after he was born, so she called him Dick.

    So she still called him after his uncle? :trolleybus:

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    differently, like Frances and Francis.

    I see what you did there ...unless you were serious.

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    I see what you did there ...unless you were serious.

    I am serious.

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat

    France is and france iss? Pretty subtle but there is a difference

  • (disco) in reply to Jaloopa
    Jaloopa:
    France is and france iss?

    More or less--the female version can shade more to "es".

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat

    Franceses?

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat

    I don't hear it, but whatever. I even made Google Translate pronounce them (I know, I know, not the authority on pronunciation, but still). No fucking difference to my ears.

  • (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    Franceses?

    What do you think?

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    I am serious.

    And don't call me Shirley.

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    I don't hear it, but whatever.I even made Google Translate pronounce them (I know, I know, not the authority on pronunciation, but still).No fucking difference to my ears.

    That's the problem with learning dialects - you often neither hear nor pronounce sounds that aren't part of your native dialect. Sometimes it's best to look up the tongue position and mouth shape for making the sound rather than trying to hear it.

    Another example is the difference between Merry, Mary, and Marry. Some parts of the US pronounce them all the same and some differentiate them.

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime
    Jaime:
    Merry, Mary, and Marry

    I would pronounce Mary different from the rest. Merry and Marry is too subtle for me to hear, and when I say it, I'd pronounce it the same way.

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid

    In the New York City area, Merry seems to be the stand-out, having an obviously softer "e" sound (/e/), like in "men".

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime
    Jaime:
    Merry, Mary, and Marry. Some parts of the US pronounce them all the same

    :wave:

    Jaime:
    an obviously softer "e" sound (/e/), like in "men".
    For all three.
  • (disco) in reply to Jaime

    Next you'll be telling me "man" and "men" sound different :trolleybus:

    I think I can understand the difference in theory, but I can't say I am able to pronounce it differently

    Disclaimer: not a native speaker, all my experience comes from having spent some time in UK and Australia, hanging out with 'Muricans, but mostly watching movies.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek

    Here's one I find humorous:

    I went to a university that had a lot of students form the New York City area. In their high school chemistry classes, they all learned the mnemonic "Do as you ought to, add acid to water" - and it rhymed.

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime
    Jaime:
    Do as you ought tootter, add acid to water

    FTFY.

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    I think I can understand the difference in theory, but I can't say I am able to pronounce it differently

    Of course, the real challenge is distinguishing the pronunciations of Zathras and Zathras.

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime
    Jaime:
    "Do as you ought to, add acid to water"

    I think that would rhyme in Boston, too. That's a clever mnemonic; even in dialects where it doesn't rhyme, it's memorable. (I just learned that in "Acid To Water" the letters ATW are in alphabetical order; doing it wrong, they're backwards.)

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek

    I learned it as PAW. Pour Acid into Water.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    PAW

    :wolf::giggity:

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    HardwareGeek:
    Jaime:
    "Do as you ought to, add acid to water"

    I think that would rhyme in Boston, too. That's a clever mnemonic; even in dialects where it doesn't rhyme, it's memorable. (I just learned that in "Acid To Water" the letters ATW are in alphabetical order; doing it wrong, they're backwards.)

    boomzilla:
    I learned it as PAW. Pour Acid into Water.

    I never got any acronyms or mnemonics or anything. :'( We just learned that you pour the less-neutral solution into the more-neutral solution.

    Come to think of it, I pretty much never got any useful memory-enhancing techniques for learning anything in chemistry. Maybe that's why I hated it so much.

  • (disco) in reply to Fox
    Fox:
    We just learned that you pour the less-neutral solution into the more-neutral solution.

    Hm, what I learned is basically, pour the more concentrated (denser) liquid into the less dense. Heat is generated when the acid (or base, or ...) is diluted, and you want that heat distributed throughout the solution, not concentrated at a single interface. Pouring the denser liquid into the less dense, it will tend to mix as it settles (even without stirring, which you should be doing), distributing the heat; whereas, pouring the less dense liquid, it will tend to float on top of the denser, resulting in two relatively distinct layers, with the heat of dilution concentrated at the interface between them.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    Hm, what I learned is basically
    When your explanation wraps three lines, it ain't BASIC. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Filed under: Do you witness what I did there?

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    When your explanation wraps three lines, it ain't BASIC.

    The first sentence is the BASICbasic explanation; the rest is explaining the rationale behind the basic explanation.

  • (disco) in reply to wft
    wft:
    I feel slightly amused at how, instead of bitching about government-ordered software which is invariably abundant in :wtf:s, 90% of the thread is dedicated to bitching about the submitter's name.
    Names are software ∧ Some names make you go “:wtf:?!” ⇒ This thread is not OT.
    Jaime:
    That's the problem with learning dialects - you often neither hear nor pronounce sounds that aren't part of your native dialect.
    Not just dialects, whole languages too. Dutch advertisements for this brand always mildly amuse me: [image]

    Since even the voice-over invariably pronounces the last word as /mæn/, and the word “man” is almost always pronounced /mɛn/ by similar voice-overs …

  • (disco) in reply to Onyx

    I actually know a person named J. Causes horrible problems with systems, teachers, etc.

    obeselymorbid:
    Disclaimer: not a native speaker, all my experience comes from having spent some time in UK and Australia, hanging out with 'Muricans, but mostly watching movies.

    In OZ, it's 'mon' and 'mean'.

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime
    Jaime:
    Another example is the difference between Merry, Mary, and Marry. Some parts of the US pronounce them all the same and some differentiate them.

    Merry == Mary != Marry for me.

    Edit: This may also explain why Mary is Merry...

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    When your explanation wraps three lines, it ain't BASIC

    Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code?

  • (disco) in reply to fbmac

    Mayhaps :stuck_out_tongue: Acid is to Acidic as Base is to ... Basic? ;)

  • (disco) in reply to Gurth
    Gurth:
    Names are software ∧ Some names make you go “:wtf:?!” ⇒ This thread is not OT.

    That's also MY name, you insensitive clod!

  • (disco) in reply to dcon
    dcon:
    This may also explain why Mary is Merry

    Because someone asked to Marry her?

  • (disco) in reply to Fox
    Fox:
    I never got any acronyms or mnemonics or anything. :cry: We just learned that you pour the less-neutral solution into the more-neutral solution.

    Just out of curiosity, did they explain the consequences of doing it wrong? Or just give you this bald rule you were supposed to remember?

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup

    They explained that violent reactions can occur, up to and including explosions.

  • (disco) in reply to Fox

    That's not really the most important reason. By pouring acid into water, the solution you are handling goes from least dangerous to most dangerous, minimizing the window where a spill or a splash could be harmful.

    If you are making a fairly safe acid solution with 1% acid and 99% water, if you start with the acid and create a splash or spill when adding the first bits of water, you now have a serious issue. But, if you spilled a crapton of water that you just began adding acid to, no big deal.

  • (disco) in reply to Jaime

    I would argue that explosions are actually the most important reason, but that spills and splashes are more common.

    Also, considering we often dealt with solutions of much higher, and in many cases dealt with solvents other than water in higher level labs, some of which were irritants and at least one of which was carcinogenic, spilling the solvents was still a big problem. :P

  • (disco) in reply to slavdude

    I'm thinking it's not just accent, but patterns of speech. Like, in normal conversation, ‘and’ is rarely emphasised, but then there's this thing people will do where they'll seem to come to a stop after describing something, but then start up immediately with a long drawn-out ‘and’ and explain why it's even worse than you were thinking.

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    Next you'll be telling me "man" and "men" sound different :trolleybus:
    I had an English teacher that pronounced "men" like "mean" :camel:
  • (disco) in reply to Gurth
    Gurth:
    Since even the voice-over invariably pronounces the last word as /mæn/, and the word “man” is almost always pronounced /mɛn/ by similar voice-overs …

    Fuck you and your IPA proficiency.

  • (disco) in reply to wft
    wft:
    That's also MY name, you insensitive clod!
    Jareczku nie denerwuj się!
  • (disco) in reply to Gaska
    Gaska:
    I had an English teacher that pronounced "men" like "mean" :camel:

    Did they also pronounce the word that describes a group of multiple opposite gender beings "wee-mean"?

  • (disco) in reply to Gaska
    Gaska:
    Fuck you and your IPA proficiency.
    I’ll let you in on a secret.
  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    Did they also pronounce the word that describes a group of multiple opposite gender beings "wee-mean"?
    No, that was another one. The "mean" one, however, insisted on pronouncing the name Lucy as "lucky".

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