• (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek

    Turn that facepalm upside-down.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Eating fish is no laughing matter.

    Oooh, that's an idea! Nitrous oxide infused fish fillets! I'll call it Laughing Fish™.

    Laughing Fish is a trademark of Mad Hatter Industries. All related products may be protected by relevant copyright law.

  • (disco) in reply to hungrier
    hungrier:
    It is if you eat a clownfish.

    Actually, that's a common misconception.

    Filed Under: Finding Nemo Boney

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    No, my point is that I see no point in drinking alcohol. I've listed numerous reasons why, and I see absolutely no benefits to it.
    And just about every single one of those arguments against can easily be countered by drinking in moderation
  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Oooh, that's an idea! Nitrous oxide infused fish fillets! I'll call it Laughing Fish™.

    Ahhhh....now....I can perhaps overlook the taste if there's intoxication on the line.

    RaceProUK:
    drinking in moderation

    Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla

    Everything in moderation, especially moderation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu7I-h5kpRU

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    And just about every single one of those arguments against can easily be countered by drinking in moderation

    Loss of full control over one's body and impairment of one's judgment can't. And, at risk of becoming a broken record:

    abarker:
    As I stated earlier:
    abarker:
    setting aside my religious reasons
    Everything I've mentioned here is in addition to my religious reasons for not drinking alcohol.
  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Loss of full control over one's body and impairment of one's judgment can't.

    So you literally don't sleep, then? I thought that was a joke.

  • (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    I thought that was a joke.

    I was afraid it wasn't.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Loss of full control over one's body and impairment of one's judgment can't.
    Any alcoholic drink considered normal has nowhere near enough alcohol to trigger those effects, unless you consume enough drinks in a suitably short period of time. A single glass of wine in the evening won't have any real effect; two *bottles* in an evening is another story…

    So, like I said, moderation.

  • (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    So you literally don't sleep, then? I thought that was a joke.
    boomzilla:
    I was afraid it wasn't.

    You can't see the difference? Sleep is not voluntary. It is a biological necessity. Alcohol consumption is a choice. It is not biologically necessary.

    Now muting the thread because I'm sick of being piled on for defending my choice.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    You can't see the difference?

    Of course I can. I was just imagining how afraid you must be every night that something terrible would happen.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Now muting the thread because I'm sick of being piled on for defending my choice.
    No-one here is interested in getting you to drink; we're simply doubting the validity of the reasons (other than religion) you listed.
  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    we're simply

    ...having a conversation in our native idiom.

  • (disco)

    Some people just don't want to drink. I mostly fall in that category these days, just don't have an interest in it.

  • (disco) in reply to mott555
    mott555:
    Some people just don't want to drink.

    I'm cool with those guys. Until they start giving me grief about not wanting to eat fish.

  • (disco) in reply to mott555
    mott555:
    Some people just don't want to drink
    And that's fine :smile: Besides, we were debating the validity of certain reasons not to drink, not the act of drinking itself.
  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK

    I'm not up-to-date on this thread so I'm sure I don't have much context.

    No, that's not an invitation to post a TL;DR

  • (disco) in reply to mott555
    mott555:
    No, that's not an invitation to post a TL;DR

    @abarker stated he didn't drink, and .... well things went downhill from there.

    ;-)

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    things went downhill from there
    We should've had the handbrake on or something…
  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Hell, my wife gets after me when I have a bad migraine sometimes because I put off taking the strong pain meds as long as I can for this very same reason.

    She has a certain amount of a point here. I know when I get really bad headaches it's hard to concentrate or think clearly. You'd probably be better off with any impairment from medicine than the different impairment of pain.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    I HAVE TRIED FISH AND FOUND IT TERRIBLE.

    A passable blakeyrant, but not spittle-flecked enough, and no vulgarity.

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    @abarker stated he didn't drink, and .... well things went downhill from there.

    No...he concerned trolled us about what we're missing by not eating fish, so I counter concern trolled him about alcohol and then he listed a bunch of silly things which we pointed out.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Benefit claim denied.

    All three of your bullet points are "I don't want to so your point is invalid."

    It's fine for you not to want to drink alcohol, but "other things offer the same benefits" does not equal "there is no benefit."

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla

    ah. i sit corrected.

    accalia:
    @­abarker@­boomzilla stated he didn't drinklikes fish, and .... well things went downhill from there.
  • (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    Everything in moderation, especially moderation.

    Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.

    ETA: Yes, I saw the rest of the video title.

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.

    :facepalm:

    [image]
  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla

    Your posts aren't so interesting I read all of each of them. :stuck_out_tongue:

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    When you first try alcohol, you are taking additional, known risks. You don't know how your body will react. Are you predisposed to alcholism? What is your body's alcohol tolerance? What kind of drunk are you? Those things, and more, are unknowns when you first try alcohol.

    Never mind the possibility that it might interact with any other psychoactive substances in your system -- it's one of my main justifications for being a dry. (I really don't want to find out the hard way that what I'm on causes my brain to get mincemeated by the first glass of CH3CH2OH-containing liquid I drink...)

  • (disco) in reply to tarunik
    tarunik:
    Never mind the possibility that it might interact with any other psychoactive substances in your system -- it's one of my main justifications for being a dry.

    Medical issues are obvious show stoppers. But if you're just getting high...

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Medical issues are obvious show stoppers.

    Exactly the case here -- I was prescribed a psychoactive medication for several very good reasons...

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    I HAVE TRIED FISH AND FOUND IT TERRIBLE.

    If you tried it in the Mid-West, I'm not surprised. That's not fish country. With a few exceptions, fish must be fresh to be worthwhile. (Even with smoked fish, it needs to be fresh when the preserving process is started.)

    But you might be one of those people who have a genetic variant that makes fish genuinely distasteful to you. (Me? I find blue cheese absolutely revolting and always have. Everyone else's mileage can vary, but keep that blue cheese away from me. Ordinary cheese is pretty good though.)

  • (disco) in reply to tarunik
    tarunik:
    Exactly the case here -- I was prescribed a psychoactive medication for several very good reasons...

    There are a lot of medications — both prescribed and OTC — that don't mix well with alcohol. The general interaction of things in the liver is tricky matter.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    That's not fish country.

    Correction: it's not saltwater fish country. Fresh fish exists out here -- you just have to head to the nearest lake or river and catch it yourself ;)

    dkf:
    With a few exceptions, fish must be fresh to be worthwhile.
    Actually, frozen fish is *damn* good these days -- what they do is catch the fish, then take it to a "mothership" that slices and freezes it, so the freshness is more or less "locked in" by being quick-frozen practically right after its caught.
  • (disco) in reply to tarunik
    tarunik:
    Actually, frozen fish is damn good these days

    Yes, but having it sufficiently fresh that it didn't need that freezing is even better. Other things take to being frozen more happily; the canonical example is peas, which are usually of much better quality when they have been frozen, since that's about the only way to get them from the field to the consumer within their proper freshness window. The only way to beat that is to grow them yourself (and then you'll have a massive glut all at once). Fish isn't quite as sensitive as that, but it's close and the freezing process itself damages fish more than peas.

    Of course, not all foods need to be kept super-fresh. Beef is awesome when aged right…

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Why should society dictate to me that alcohol is required in order to have a good time?

    Ignoring the fact that it doesn't, at which point those of us who do drink ask why should the neo-puritans dictate to the rest of us how much alcohol we should be allowed to consume? (In their world - ideally none.)

    abarker:
    @PJH's cardiovascular health argument: Same benefits are available from purple grape juice. Benefit claim denied.

    You can't deny the benefit simply because something else apparently gives it as well. And wine is grape juice... :imp:

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    If you tried it in the Mid-West, I'm not surprised.

    I would be surprised if I tried it there. I did not.

    dkf:
    Me? I find blue cheese absolutely revolting and always have.

    I can enjoy it in small doses.

  • (disco)

    A coworker of mine doesn't drink because he hates that flushed feeling. He intensely dislikes any rise in body temperature. That's probably the weirdest reason I've ever heard, but hey, he's free to do him, ya know? He doesn't try to shame other people and say they're all crazy for wanting that experience, he just dislikes it for himself.

    My mother's been in AA almost my whole life. She too can't understand that for most people, there's a world of difference between one sip and a blackout. It's one of those things that they indoctrinate deep into you in AA, that any small amount is a tragedy waiting to happen. I imagine the Mormon church has similar teachings. It's kind of sad, because it makes you incapable of understanding the POV of someone who drinks socially.

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    My mother's been in AA almost my whole life. She too can't understand that for most people, there's a world of difference between one sip and a blackout. It's one of those things that they indoctrinate deep into you in AA, that any small amount is a tragedy waiting to happen.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, AA also indoctrinate that you have to give yourself to a 'higher power' to overcome your 'disease'. And that 'higher power' is alarmingly close to the idea of a Christian God…

    Or maybe they don't do that anymore, and just teach 'alkol is teh evilz' instead. Either way, it's all bollocks.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    And that 'higher power' is alarmingly close to the idea of a Christian God…

    Yes. It's a distinction with no difference: when I went to a single ala-teen meeting as a non-Christian, I was told that it could be "any higher power", but it had to be a higher power that

    1. encouraged surrender of control rather than independent thought
    2. was omnipotent and "had a plan" yet distant and hands-off about enacting it
    3. encouraged a personal connection with followers via vague feelings in your heart

    Which ends up being very Judeo-Christian. I was Wiccan, and my whole concept of a deity was vastly different from theirs, so it didn't go over well with me.

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue

    That's an awesome concept. "Hey, currently alcohol rules your life. Now, you need something to replace it. No, no, you can't do it on your own, you're just a weak human."

    Fuck off. Regardless of your religious beliefs, that is bullshit.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    keep that blue cheese away from me

    :+1:

  • (disco) in reply to PJH
    PJH:
    And wine is spoiled grape juice.

    :trollface:

  • (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    "Hey, currently alcohol rules your life. Now, you need something to replace it. No, no, you can't do it on your own, you're just a weak human."

    MTE.

    Also, a lot of them then stand outside and smoke. Gee, that's healthy for people who are prone to addiction to be exposed to: a situation where you have to be around cigarette smoke to get the social interaction and support you crave.

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    It's one of those things that they indoctrinate deep into you in AA, that any small amount is a tragedy waiting to happen.

    Well, that is true for the target market* of AA. :wink:

    *By target market, I mean the real target market: people who have hit bottom and for whom nothing else has worked. I don't mean the people who are sent there by the courts because they got a DUI.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    alarmingly

    Alarmingly. ALARMINGLY. ALARMINGLY

    Wat.

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    Which ends up being very Judeo-Christian

    Sounds more Islam, though I suppose there are probably some Christian sects that are interested in surrendering control.

    Onyx:
    Fuck off. Regardless of your religious beliefs, that is bullshit.

    I've never been, only experienced this stuff through TV shows, but that conclusion strikes me as a giant non sequitur. Going back:

    Onyx:
    That's an awesome concept. "Hey, currently alcohol rules your life. Now, you need something to replace it. No, no, you can't do it on your own, you're just a weak human."

    That actually sounds very plausible and possibly healthy and a super positive influence for some people.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    there are probably some Christian sects that are interested in surrendering control.

    You've never heard of "Let go and let God"? That's a big Christian saying where I grew up.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Sounds more Islam
    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all the same thing really; they're the Abrahamic religions ;)
  • (disco)

    Wait, what the hell? I experienced that weird likes bug:

    [image]

    Steps:

    1. Had a notification in the Likes thread without realizing it
    2. Went to the Likes thread via notification. Thought it was the Server Cooties thread, liked a few posts, realized where I was, stopped reading, and moved on.
    3. The next notification was here, so I clicked it. Voila, bug.

    I'mma stay put for a minute, anything I need to check before I click and make it go away?

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