• (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    I'm not flagging anyone who already has a pendantry badge as long as I don't have one.

    You just aren't trying hard enough.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    You just aren't trying hard enough.

    Not lately, no, since there's no point.

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    Not lately, no, since there's no point.

    I flag when there is pedantry and dickweed. I do so to prevent karma from biting me on the ass. Such a policy seems to be working so far.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    What possible benefits could outweigh all of that?

    It's still better than voluntarily putting fish in your mouth. :fish:

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGWPorwkYg No, no idea why it's mirrored…

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    It's still better than voluntarily putting fish in your mouth.

    :rolleyes:

    Here I am, trying to start a meaningful discussion, and you make jokes.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    No, no idea why it's mirrored…

    Likely to get around content detection.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    no idea why it's mirrored

    An attempt to defeat Content ID would be my guess.

    :hanzo:

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    It's a depressant. It inhibits decision making. It inhibits balance.

    yes, yes, and yes

    abarker:
    It frequently causes headaches and light sensitivity.

    ethyl alcohol itself doesn't cause this if taken in moderation. and most of that effect is down to the diuretic effect of alcohol. keep up with the water and it's not an issue.

    abarker:
    It causes liver and kidney damage.

    which is temprary and self heals if consumption rates are not excessive (drink in moderation ;-))

    abarker:
    It inhibits balance and coordination.

    you listed that already, but yes

    abarker:
    It is not uncommon to experience memory loss as a result of ingesting alcohol.

    well yes, when you drink to the point you pas out. memory loss is a common side effect of passing out. but again that's when done to excess.

    abarker:
    By the admission of every person I've ever talked to who consumes alcohol, it is an acquired taste.

    fair enough.

    abarker:
    Beer is nasty.

    Agreed.

    abarker:
    Ok, setting aside my religious reasons:

    oh. well then.

    /me drops the subject and wanders off to a sports bar to annoy the patrons by "accidentally" conflating hockey and baseball teams.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Here I am, trying to start a meaningful discussion

    Uh huh.

    abarker:
    and you make jokes.

    I stand behind every word of what I said!

    You can cry about all these negative effects of alcohol and ignore the positives (e.g., it's fun! tastes good!). And I could concern troll you about mercury poisoning. But I won't. Frankly, I'm glad so many people eat fish. It helps keep the prices on good food down for the rest of us.

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    /me drops the subject and wanders off to a sports bar to annoy the patrons by "accidentally" conflating hockey and baseball teams.

    Sounds dangerous.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Sounds dangerous.

    moderately so, but i'm known there as a great tipper and i sit close to one of the bouncers so things never get too far out of hand. ;-)

  • (disco) in reply to accalia

    Few things are as exciting as real life trolling.

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    abarker:
    Beer is nasty.
    Agreed.
    :expressionless: Beer is le tasty…
  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Beer is le tasty…

    no it really isn't....

    now a good rum is tasty.

    and a Cape Cod (vodka and cranberry jiuce in case it's called something else where you drink) is very tasty!

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Few things are as exciting as real life trolling.

    yep.

    what's really fun is watching the regulars slowly learn about what i'm doing and actually start joining in the fun with the tourists and blow ins. ;-)

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    RaceProUK:
    Beer is le tasty…
    no it really isn't....
    Well then! Seems I have no choice but to find some tasty beers to recommend so you can develop a taste for it! ;)
    accalia:
    now a good rum is tasty.
    Hmm… what about a beer with a shot or two of rum in it? Or one that's been matured in a rum cask?
  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Hmm… what about a beer with a shot or two of rum in it? Or one that's been matured in a rum cask?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Car_Bomb

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Seems I have no choice but to find some tasty beers to recommend so you can develop a taste for it!

    tell you what, next time you're in my country or I'm in yours. You can do just that. ;-)

  • (disco) in reply to accalia

    It'll be easier over this side of the Atlantic; I know what to look for here :smile:

    And in return, you can recommend some good rums?

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    And in return, you can recommend some good rums?

    hmm... Captain Morgan's private reserve is a rather nice one. Not the best, but quite palatable and unlikely to break the bank.

    Not sure how it travels over there.... i'll do some research.

  • (disco) in reply to Rhywden
    Rhywden:
    I myself am now eating olives and artichokes

    Olives, meh. Artichokes - runs out to lemon tree, grabs mayo and mustard (NOT yellow!) from fridge - READY!

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    you listed that already

    Apparently the lack of it inhibits short-term memory loss.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Beer is le tasty

    Once you acquire a taste for it, perhaps. Or perhaps that's just what people tell themselves.

    I drink socially but I've never developed a liking for it.

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    the tourists and blow ins.

    Considering how much the beachgoers and leaf-peepers add to the local economy, that's pretty cruel.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    recommend some good rums?

    Before you put the words "good" and "rum" together, remember there's a reason it's called "the demon, rum" and not "the awesome stuff, rum".

    I'm not knocking the stuff, I'm just sayin'.

  • (disco) in reply to accalia
    accalia:
    you listed that already, but yes

    Just a sobriety check. ;)

    accalia:
    well yes, when you drink to the point you pas out. memory loss is a common side effect of passing out. but again that's when done to excess.

    There are some people who don't need to get pass-out-drunk to experience the memory loss. Had a couple friends like that.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    There are some people who don't need to get pass-out-drunk to experience the memory loss.

    Talk to my wife. I lose memories stone cold sober all the time. That said, I've never had any sort of alcohol related blackout.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    I lose memories stone cold sober all the time.

    Probably age related. :P

    Actually, when I was in middle school and still trying to figure out how to deal with my migraines, I was on this one really funky pill. It had two uncommon side effects:

    • An unusual form of seizure which did not involve any convulsions, but all other seizure symptoms were present.
    • A loss of short term memory. Obviously, if you have difficulty storing short term memories, you'll have problems forming long term memories.

    Lucky me, I got both of those side effects. As a result, I don't remember much of 8th grade. I still struggle with trigonometry to this day.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Talk to my wife. I lose memories stone cold sober all the time.

    :rofl: +ç

  • (disco) in reply to CarrieVS
    CarrieVS:
    It's not unpleasant in taste or texture.

    I disagree. The taste is meh, whatever, but the texture... yuck. It feels like I'm eating molten-yet-cooled plastic.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    What possible benefits could outweigh all of that?

    Nobody has taken this seriously yet that I can see, so I will.

    If you don't drink too much, most of the things you listed are either minor (eg. inhibiting decision making and balance), easily worked around (don't drive or make important decisions after drinking) or just don't happen (memory loss). For most people, at least.

    The benefits are:

    • Most alcohols have complex tastes, like many things people enjoy such as coffee, cheese, etc. It can be quite enjoyable to see what tastes you can pick out. This doesn't apply so much to cocktails and sugary mixed drinks, so don't drink them.
    • I enjoy the taste of beer, wine, and sometimes scotch. This has changed as I age.
    • Drinks well matched with food makes both the food and the drink better.
    • Alcohol gives a pleasant buzz.

    You forgot to list cost as a downside. Drinking while out is very expensive, I don't know how people afford to do it regularly. I brew my own beer, so drinking at home or at friend's places when I can take my home brew is ridiculously cheap. Also my home brew is better than most commercial beers.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    By the admission of every person I've ever talked to who consumes alcohol, it is an acquired taste.

    When I was about 5, I asked my dad for a sip of his beer. I apparently liked it enough to come back 5 minutes later and ask for another sip. I have now invalidated that anecdotal part of your argument

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue

    FWIW there's a lot you can do to make food look terrific in a photo without airbrushing. McDonald's has a nice video on the subject at https://youtu.be/oSd0keSj2W8 (length 3:27).

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    Second, scrambled form is ok in form, too, becuase it's cooked in a thin, solid layer, and then actually folded, just like an omelette

    No - that is actually an omelette. Scrambled eggs (at least used to) require some manual effort to create:

    http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/whats-killing-off-gameified-communities-yes-i-made-a-post-of-my-tweets-suck-it/7344/401?u=pjh

    Apropos the alcohol stuff, I'll just drop this here:

    Alcohol–Related Morbidity and Mortality

    http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-1/images/p42.gif

    X axis - ethanol drunk y axis - risk of coronary heart disease

  • (disco) in reply to another_sam
    another_sam:
    If you don't drink too much, most of the things you listed are either minor (eg. inhibiting decision making and balance), easily worked around (don't drive or make important decisions after drinking) …

    [1]I want to be as ready as possible to make any decision at any time. Just in case, for example, there's an accident and I have to make a life-or-death medical decision for my wife or one of my children. I'm not going to jeopardize something like that by willingly impairing my judgement. Hell, my wife gets after me when I have a bad migraine sometimes because I put off taking the strong pain meds as long as I can for this very same reason.

    another_sam:
    Most alcohols have complex tastes, like many things people enjoy such as coffee, cheese, etc. It can be quite enjoyable to see what tastes you can pick out. This doesn't apply so much to cocktails and sugary mixed drinks, so don't drink them.

    So do most well made foods. There are enough well made foods out there that I can have this kind of experience with that I don't need to add something that can easily be harmful, like alcohol, to the list.

    another_sam:
    I enjoy the taste of beer, wine, and sometimes scotch. This has changed as I age

    That's your personal preference. Which you would be unaware of had you never tried alcohol.

    another_sam:
    Drinks well matched with food makes both the food and the drink better.

    Properly seasoned food greatly enhances the food. I don't need to rely on my drink to make my food taste better.

    another_sam:
    Alcohol gives a pleasant buzz.

    This sounds like a combination of two things:

    1. A sort of high.
    2. Personal preference.

    Put those two together and you may have a minor addiction. Not that I'm saying anything about you, but this makes me think of another downside to alcohol: for a legal drink, it's got a fairly high incidence of addiction.

    PJH:
    Apropos the alcohol stuff, I'll just drop this here:

    Alcohol–Related Morbidity and Mortality

    You get similar health benefits from purple grape juice. No need for alcohol there.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10477529

    http://www.grapescience.com/concord-grapes-and-health/cardiovascular-health.aspx

    http://www.news.wisc.edu/4751

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/9/1788S.full

    [1] Maybe this would be a good time to mention that a childhood friend of mine was killed in high school by a drunk driver.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    I want to be as ready as possible to make any decision at any time. Just in case, for example, there's an accident and I have to make a life-or-death medical decision for my wife or one of my children.

    Don't go to sleep either!

    abarker:
    Which you would be unaware of had you never tried alcohol.

    And here's the biggest reason why you are wrong here. I HAVE TRIED FISH AND FOUND IT TERRIBLE.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Don't go to sleep either!

    :rolleyes:

    boomzilla:
    I HAVE TRIED FISH AND FOUND IT TERRIBLE.

    That's your personal preference. Oh well.

    Here's the difference between fish and alcohol though: when trying fish, you aren't taking any risks more substantial than you take with any other food[1]. When you first try alcohol, you are taking additional, known risks. You don't know how your body will react. Are you predisposed to alcholism? What is your body's alcohol tolerance? What kind of drunk are you? Those things, and more, are unknowns when you first try alcohol. They are risks. That is why your comparison between fish and alcohol doesn't work.

    [1] Assuming you aren't trying something crazy like blowfish.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    You don't know how your body will react.
    Same for fish; allergies are weird like that.
    abarker:
    Are you predisposed to alcholism?
    That's more of a sociopsycological question than a dietary question really.
    abarker:
    What is your body's alcohol tolerance?
    For your first time? Low.
    abarker:
    What kind of drunk are you?
    If you drink enough first time round to answer that question, you're Doing It Wrong™.
  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    :hanzo: Basically what @RaceProUK said. There's a whole world between "trying your first sip of alcohol" and "uncontrollable, violent drunk"

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    When you first try alcohol, you are taking additional, known risks.

    :rolleyes:

    I can't help it if you're going to be that risk averse. At which point, I'd be complaining about the risk of getting a fish bone stuck in my throat.

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Same for fish; allergies are weird like that.

    Yes, but that's a risk with any food. With alcohol, there are additional reactions besides allergies to consider.

    RaceProUK:
    That's more of a sociopsycological question than a dietary question really.

    Not really. There are studies showing the alcoholism can be inherited genetically.

    http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/alcoholism/born-to-drink-alcoholism-and-genetics/

    http://psychcentral.com/lib/alcohol-consumption-and-genetics/0004943

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.1999.tb04269.x/abstract

    http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/abn/99/3/291/

    The question is: if you have an alcoholic parent, how do you know if it's a genetic thing or not? If it is genetic, how do you know if you inherited the gene(s)? If your parents don't drink, can you even start to answer either of those questions without trying alcohol?

    RaceProUK:
    For your first time? Low.

    True, but even then, it varies from person to person. Duh.

    RaceProUK:
    If you drink enough first time round to answer that question, you're Doing It Wrong™.

    And you're Missing The Point™.

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    And you're Missing The Point™.
    It seems your point is 'alcohol is teh evilz', when it just isn't; as with anything, it's how it's (mis)used that's the issue.
  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla

    First off: Anyone else having trouble with the Quote Reply button today?

    We now return your regularly scheduled flamewar.

    boomzilla:
    I can't help it if you're going to be that risk averse. At which point, I'd be complaining about the risk of getting a fish bone stuck in my throat.

    As I stated earlier:

    abarker:
    setting aside my religious reasons

    Everything I've mentioned here is in addition to my religious reasons for not drinking alcohol.

    As for being "risk averse", I take risks, I just take them without alcohol. Why should society dictate to me that alcohol is required in order to have a good time?

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Everything I've mentioned here is in addition to my religious reasons for not drinking alcohol

    Yes...I respect your religious reasons.

    abarker:
    Why should society dictate to me that alcohol is required in order to have a good time?

    It shouldn't. It doesn't. It will still mock you for coming up with excuses that make you sound like a wuss.

    But you said this first:

    abarker:
    I am saddened by all that you are missing out on.

    ...so why are you trying to shame people into eating fish?

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    It seems your point is 'alcohol is teh evilz', when it just isn't; as with anything, it's how it's (mis)used that's the issue.

    No, my point is that I see no point in drinking alcohol. I've listed numerous reasons why, and I see absolutely no benefits to it. The only ones offered so far are:

    • @another_sam's diverse flavors argument: Meh, plenty of diverse flavors in the world without alcohol. I can only fit so much into a single lifetime.
    • @PJH's cardiovascular health argument: Same benefits are available from purple grape juice. Benefit claim denied.
    • Everyone's social argument: I have a good time without alcohol, TYVM.
  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    so why are you trying to shame people into eating fish?

    :facepalm:

    It's this thing called teasing - aka ribbing, joshing, joking around. Some even call it trolling.

    Why are you so concerned about it when it wasn't even aimed at you?

  • (disco) in reply to abarker
    abarker:
    Some even call it trolling.

    This is all new to me. I'll have to reflect upon it.

    abarker:
    Why are you so concerned about it when it wasn't even aimed at you?

    Eating fish is no laughing matter.

  • (disco) in reply to boomzilla
    boomzilla:
    Eating fish is no laughing matter.

    It is if you eat a clownfish.

    Filed under: Finding Nemo delicious

  • (disco) in reply to hungrier
    hungrier:
    It is if you eat a clownfish.
    :facepalm:

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