• (cs) in reply to WebDevGuy
    WebDevGuy:
    brazzy:
    WebDevGuy:
    real_aardvark:
    WebDevGuy:
    I only program in Python when I'm high...which is one of the main reasons I love Python, actually: It's intuitive. Nothing worse than working on a PHP project after smoking: 50% or more of your bugs are for missing semicolons, missing $ before variables, etc. etc.
    Tabs???
    Auto-indentation! Vim, TextMate, Emacs, they all do it.
    I kinda doubt that they're able to write your programs for you. Which they'd basically have to be able to do in order to generate or fix mistakes in syntactically significant Python whitespace.
    Not sure as to what you're getting at here. Python's one nit-picky thing is whitespace which is very easy to grok under most any circumstance. PHP has many features that are unintuitive and take a sharp, alert mind to overcome. But I'm still a big PHP fan for its usability, ubiquity, and speed, but it's very prickly when you're under the influence of anything.
    What, like PHP?

    Damn those horse tranquilisers.

    Actually, <snake-oil salesman>I have what both of you need right here</snake-oil salesman>.

    This is the best thing since the invention of sex, although admittedly that was twenty five years ago in my case.

    I'm not kidding, really. Well, yes, I am. But it's definitely the best thing since the invention of emacs.

    Are you cool, man?

    And more.

  • (cs) in reply to bla
    bla:
    real_aardvark:
    WebDevGuy:
    I only program in Python when I'm high...which is one of the main reasons I love Python, actually: It's intuitive. Nothing worse than working on a PHP project after smoking: 50% or more of your bugs are for missing semicolons, missing $ before variables, etc. etc.
    Tabs???

    Any developer reading this site should be smart enough to set his editor up for Python development... It's a non issue...

    And it's not like you ever have to work with some other cretin's "Python" code, typically written in naked vi as I recall, that has an arbitrary mix of single spaces and tabs and God knows what else, is it?

    You lucky non-issue, you.

  • (cs) in reply to St. Mary's Hospital for the True Image of Colonic Diseases
    St. Mary's Hospital for the True Image of Colonic Diseases:
    In the UK, it is a democracy that decides how much medical care can be provided to anybody. In the US, it is the free market that decides who can get care at all.

    I would never change Switzerland for the US in that matter. It is a basic tenet of humanity that you guarantee medical care to everybody instead of letting commercial enterprises decide that question for you. When you seriously need treatment for cancer you cannot choose a cheaper treatment. Your life is at the stakes.

    Roughly 30,000 years of humanity.

    Roughly 250 years of citizen-based democracy.

    Roughly 50 years of free health-care for all.

    Not, I think, "a basic tenet of humanity."

    An extremely good idea, but a dementedly bad argument.

  • (cs) in reply to Contact Buzz
    Contact Buzz:
    I'm surprised no-one has mentioned all the smoke floating around the clubs this guy DJs. It's at least conceivable that he doesn't do drugs himself but that he was exposed to so much smoke at clubs that he thought he'd fail a drug test.
    Well, at the risk of sounding like a dweeb, that's actually a very fair point.

    The excellent Roy Castle, who could beat Sammy Davis into the floor as a tap-dancer and was a superb jazz trumpeter, actually died of lung cancer (being a non-smoker) presumably because of the atmosphere of the clubs he played in.

    No idea as to whether he'd have been hired or not based on a hair test.

    I don't believe it's a question of whether one can take Presbyterian righteousness too far. I believe that it's a question of whether you should let it take the passenger seat at all.

  • (cs) in reply to jMo
    jMo:
    Rboy:
    Forget the drug test, have you ever hired anyone who DJ'd? Even worse, one that DJ'ing is their first love? Expect someone to punch in every day, and not do a darn thing...

    But who puts an end date to their schooling when they are STILL IN SCHOOL? The correct way denote that is 'Current', and add in an expected graduation date.

    stereotyping is lame... pun intended.

    Plz send teh punz...

  • (cs) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    operagost:
    The real WTF is assuming that a person who is concerned about drug testing is a drug user. Some people think it's intrusive. Quaint, I know; as once President Obama implements his universal health care, we'll have mandatory blood tests and invasive exams annually on pain of imprisonment.
    One for two.
    Not that I'm American, but I'd settle for "invasive exams annually."

    For a moment there, I had to cross my legs. Backwards.

  • Not Insured (unregistered) in reply to jpers36
    jpers36:
    savar:
    The real difference between the US and other countries is how far we are willing to go to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. Most euro countries are very supportive of others -- to the point that they pay a lot of taxes in order to allow the government to redistribute wealth heavily. In the US the prevailing opinion is "fuck them, let them get a job"... I personally am somewhere in the middle. I think preventative care should be available whether you can pay for it or not, but at the same time we shouldn't be paying $200,000 in tax payer funds to support some guy who burned his kidneys out with heroin and meth.

    I disagree (with your characterization of the US, not necessarily your post as a whole). I think the prevailing opinion of those Americans who oppose government health care is "It's not the government's job, find someone else to help you". Americans are willing to go pretty far to take care of those who can't help themselves, but many (myself included) would prefer this be done through charitable organizations, religious institutions, or individual generosity rather than the government. The whole "let them get a job" spiel is mostly a straw man.

    If it's such a straw man and Americans are willing to go pretty far then everyone should already be insured through their employer or through charitable organizations, etc. blah blah blah. Then how come they aren't doing it right now?

    But currently many people aren't insured, so you're already paying for services that are provided to uninsured people through increased premiums and increased hospital costs. Nothing is "free".

    People complain about the inefficiency of government run health care, but they don't realize that the US is already past the 50% point, since the majority of health care is consumed by the elderly who are taken care of by Medicare and similar government programs.

  • (cs) in reply to brazzy
    brazzy:
    I'm getting at the fact that no editor in the world can get Python whitespace right for you when you can't do it yourself. I'll take your word that it's easier to get right yourself than $ variables and line ending semicolons while you're high, though I (as well as real_aardvark apparently) would have thought otherwise.
    Well, you know, this is odd.

    On principle, I'd agree with you. I mean, it's obvious (at least to somebody who programs in Python).

    However, having nicked something off the Web and re-written it, I seem to have something that does exactly what seems to be intuitively impossible.

    I'm pretty damn sure that it doesn't cope with edge cases. I'm pretty damn sure that it copes with all the idiocies I've seen so far (rare, in Python, but by no means extinct).

    I think it's time to releash the hounds of Python.

  • Has Dictionary and Understands Context (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    cparker:
    Ozymandias:
    cparker:
    KR:
    Alan:
    I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years.

    Health care is free where you are? So tell me, do the doctors in your country enjoy being unpaid slaves?

    Who said the doctors were volunteers? Free universal healthcare is paid for with taxes, and the money is distributed where there is a need.

    Having trouble with the definition of 'free', are we?

    Is that an admission? I take it you live in a totalitarian society and are not a free citizen.

    A publicly funded health care system would be free for everyone at the point of use. Nobody's saying there's no money involved.

    Saying universal healthcare is "free" is like saying internet access is free. After all, you don't have to keep feeding dollar bills into the cable modem while you're using it.

    God! This whole free/unpaid-slave discussion is so irritating! Anyone with at least a room temperature IQ would understand what is meant by "free" in the context it was used.

    Either, you're following the American media's example of what passes for discussion and examination of ideas or this was well TROLLED.

    Otherwise, I can't see what that original reply added to this discussion.

  • (cs) in reply to Huf Lungdung
    Huf Lungdung:
    Not only that, but high grades often means you'll never have to take out student loans because you'll qualify for more grants and scholarships (I actually made about $2000 profit in my last year!)
    (1) Collect underpants (2) High grades and scholarships. (3) ??? (4) $2000 profit! (5) A thousand pairs of Calvin Klein underpants.

    I think I'm missing something here.

  • (cs) in reply to BobB
    BobB:
    Not sure if this is on topic but a friend of mine who occasionally smokes pot was interviewing for a position as a secretary at a car insurance (not sayin who) office in town. She was worried about a drug test even though she hadn't smoked in a while and was wondering if the offices tested but didn't want to ask outright "Do you test for drugs?"

    What I suggested is after her final interview she simply ask, "I'm not sure if I've asked prior but is there anything else I must submit to your offices to begin employment?" And usually there is a week to two week window after beginning employment (at least in Oklahoma) that you have of when a piss test must be taken.

    Well, there's ya problem.

    Never take a job in Oklahoma.

    I mean, what're y'all smokin'?

  • The Fake WTF (unregistered) in reply to The gang of four
    The gang of four:
    Ya know I think the f*ckhead pattern is a much more apt name for the facade pattern.

    If somebody starts talking abaout the facade pattern as if it's an amazing architectural design they're using rather than just a wrapper you know they are a f*ckhead.

    Also if it's not completely obvious to you and needs explaining, you're a f*ckhead.

    We can't change the pronunciation like that. Otherwise, how will we describe the management pattern that already has that name?

  • Tomato Queen (unregistered) in reply to mtu

    It's also illegal to ask those questions in the US.

  • Robert (unregistered)

    Reminds me of a co-worker who was going to be sending me a bunch of "piles" and reading data from "piles". I was curious about this new data structure.

    --Robert s/p/f/g for those who haven't worked with people from certain regions of india before.

  • WebDevGuy (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    brazzy:
    I'm getting at the fact that no editor in the world can get Python whitespace right for you when you can't do it yourself. I'll take your word that it's easier to get right yourself than $ variables and line ending semicolons while you're high, though I (as well as real_aardvark apparently) would have thought otherwise.
    Well, you know, this is odd.

    On principle, I'd agree with you. I mean, it's obvious (at least to somebody who programs in Python).

    However, having nicked something off the Web and re-written it, I seem to have something that does exactly what seems to be intuitively impossible.

    I'm pretty damn sure that it doesn't cope with edge cases. I'm pretty damn sure that it copes with all the idiocies I've seen so far (rare, in Python, but by no means extinct).

    I think it's time to releash the hounds of Python.

    Dude, I'm just a smoker who likes to code. I think that Python's very chill. Perl is chill too, but he's sort of like that burned-out stoner...a little too lax and eccentric. PHP is mostly drunks, but in such numbers as to produce some great stuff. Lisp guys are clearly on acid. Java guys are the sober ones, and seem quite serious. Microsoft guys are always drunk off Natty Light and Milwaukee's Best.

  • Tomato Queen (unregistered) in reply to Doesn't matter

    There are plenty of competent women out there for the company to hire. Given 2 equal candidates, why hire the one who is pregnant. Whether she can "handle" it or not doesn't matter. They have more of a potential of becoming a problem than anything else. Why risk it? Even if she could still function, why not hire someone else with the same skills but who is NOT pregnant(or at least, not that they're aware of)?

    Where to begin: I hope you're being sarcastic. All of the sentences after the first one express sentiments and judgments that if used to make hiring decisions are against the law. You WILL lose.

    The language you use is degrading and abusive to women. They have more of a potential for becoming a problem? WTF planet do you live on, in what century? Why risk it? Why risk hiring anyone? Still function? Pregnant women function just fine asshole, except obviously the poor idiot stuck with you.

    The last question: you don't get to base your hiring decision on pregnancy. It is against the law. And you are a Neanderthal fuckhead for even thinking, let alone posting such garbage.

  • Konrad (unregistered)

    A contractor I once worked with used to regularly invoice the company for debuggering code.

  • Diogo (unregistered) in reply to KR
    Health care is free where you are? So tell me, do the doctors in your country enjoy being unpaid slaves?
    Are you joking? (In my country healthcare is also free, and trust me doctors are no slaves here)
  • (cs) in reply to Sarge!
    Sarge!:
    To this day (5 years later) I fail to see *ANY* use in those drug test policies... I actually think they are bad. Sure way to loose some really creative people on your team!

    public static void main(String [] yellowSubmarine) { ... }

  • Bob (unregistered) in reply to The Enterpriser
    Sarge!:
    Sure way to loose some really creative people on your team!

    Too bad it's lose and not loose.

    Captcha: eros (isn't that the new "dwarf plant"?

  • Some Guy Who Never Posts Comments (Well, Not Usually Anyway) (unregistered) in reply to Has Dictionary and Understands Context
    Has Dictionary and Understands Context:
    operagost:
    cparker:
    Ozymandias:
    cparker:
    KR:
    Alan:
    I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years.

    Health care is free where you are? So tell me, do the doctors in your country enjoy being unpaid slaves?

    Who said the doctors were volunteers? Free universal healthcare is paid for with taxes, and the money is distributed where there is a need.

    Having trouble with the definition of 'free', are we?

    Is that an admission? I take it you live in a totalitarian society and are not a free citizen.

    A publicly funded health care system would be free for everyone at the point of use. Nobody's saying there's no money involved.

    Saying universal healthcare is "free" is like saying internet access is free. After all, you don't have to keep feeding dollar bills into the cable modem while you're using it.

    God! This whole free/unpaid-slave discussion is so irritating! Anyone with at least a room temperature IQ would understand what is meant by "free" in the context it was used.

    Either, you're following the American media's example of what passes for discussion and examination of ideas or this was well TROLLED.

    Otherwise, I can't see what that original reply added to this discussion.

    Okay, so which definition of "free" are you using? It most certainly isn't "free as in beer" and it also isn't "free as in speech". In fact, there are a lot of definitions for free and none seem to fit. There are a lot of correct ways to say "socialized health care" but "free" isn't one of them.

    Free health care is free in the same way that credit cards let you buy things for free. Except that some other guy is using your credit card and sending you the bill.

    Oh, and M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER QUOTE!!

  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    Just to add to the whole drug test debate...

    Many companies that deal with any type of sensitive information automatically disqualify drug users on grounds that they would be susceptible to divulging said information. I work with national security IT and we are routinely tested for this reason. But the same can be applied down the line through many industries. What is to say that a drug user won't sell government secrets, trade secrets, sensitive data, etc. for that "fix" if he/she needs it? It goes much further than just looking out for the performance of the employee.

  • (cs) in reply to Ozymandias
    Ozymandias:
    I laughed my a** off at the fact that someone actually thought something was free since they paid for it with their left hand (taxes) rather than their right (money or insurance).

    It is free if you aren't paying tax. Which includes a suprisingly large number of people.

  • J (unregistered) in reply to Tomato Queen
    Where to begin: I hope you're being sarcastic. Blah blah blah, panties in a bunch, my comprehension skills are poor.

    You, madam, are 1 of two possible things.

    1. An exceptional troll, in which case I've been sucked in hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times.

    2. Someone who doesn't understand a counter example/extension of a poor argument to highlight its invalidity.

    Regardless of where anyone stands on the extremely complicated and morally murky issues that have been discussed in this thread, nobody is advocating discrimination of recruitment based on someone being pregnant.

    If you were actually getting all upset because you thought someone was saying that, you may start feeling embarrassed now.

    If, however, you were trolling, well played. I totally fell for it.

  • (cs) in reply to Ozymandias
    Ozymandias:
    cparker:
    KR:
    Alan:
    I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years.

    Health care is free where you are? So tell me, do the doctors in your country enjoy being unpaid slaves?

    Who said the doctors were volunteers? Free universal healthcare is paid for with taxes, and the money is distributed where there is a need.

    Having trouble with the definition of 'free', are we?

    Man, I just had the same discussion. I was at a park, and they were trying to tell me the restrooms were free. I was like 'Oh, so slaves are employed to keep them clean', and they looked at me like I was crazy and insisted that people were paid to keep them clean. Yeah, paid by me!

    Likewise, I once got in a shouting match with some fool who tried to give me a 'free' sample at Sam's Club. The dumbass didn't realize that I had to have a membership to get in the door.

    Oh, and don't get me started by stores offering 'buy one, get one free' deals. If it was free, I wouldn't have to pay them money, would I?

    Man, there are so many idiots out there that don't know what 'free' means. 'Free' means that, at no point in time has any of my time, effort, or money gone into that item.

    And everyone misuses that word...I can't think of a single thing I've ever gotten in my entire life that actually meets my definition of 'free' except air. (Well, I am providing CO2 for the plants to produce air, so maybe not.) At minimum, I have to go get the thing.

    ...wait, there's some sort of grammar rule about when I use a word one way, and every other person in existence uses it the other way, and I can't think of it at the moment.

    Oh, wait, now I remember. If I think a word logically means one thing, and every other person disagrees with me and uses it a different way, the rule is I'm wrong.

  • ChiefCrazyTalk (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    The real WTF is assuming that a person who is concerned about drug testing is a drug user. Some people think it's intrusive. Quaint, I know; as once President Obama implements his universal health care, we'll have mandatory blood tests and invasive exams annually on pain of imprisonment.

    (premier)

    Yeah. The real WTF was that the interviewer apparently WASN'T cool and dismissed the candidate so readily.

  • TravelingWTF (unregistered) in reply to Ie

    "Wow... travelling for an interview for a company that wasn't interested enough to compensate your travel expenses? TRWTF right there."

    Not always. Depending on circumstances, it might be a smart gamble. Worked out OK for me when I spent around $600 a little over two years ago to interview for a job I was well-suited for and knew the hiring manager. Got the job, and have since gotten raises of 25%, 30%, and just under 25%. The last one, admittedly, as a result of the startup shutting down and my getting picked up by a (much more stable) company the startup worked closely with :). This company also has stock options that aren't totally worthless...

    You spend money almost anytime you go to an interview, even if it's just for gas and the hassle of driving across town. Risk vs. reward, and the only person able to make the choice for you is you.

  • phx (unregistered) in reply to brazzy

    The Free Market gods must be a lot more angry at the US than Australia (which has free universal healthcare). Our economy is going great thanks! :)

  • CJ (unregistered) in reply to Tomato Queen
    Tomato Queen:
    There are plenty of competent women out there for the company to hire. Given 2 equal candidates, why hire the one who is pregnant. Whether she can "handle" it or not doesn't matter. They have more of a potential of becoming a problem than anything else. Why risk it? Even if she could still function, why not hire someone else with the same skills but who is NOT pregnant(or at least, not that they're aware of)?

    Where to begin: I hope you're being sarcastic. All of the sentences after the first one express sentiments and judgments that if used to make hiring decisions are against the law. You WILL lose.

    The language you use is degrading and abusive to women. They have more of a potential for becoming a problem? WTF planet do you live on, in what century? Why risk it? Why risk hiring anyone? Still function? Pregnant women function just fine asshole, except obviously the poor idiot stuck with you.

    The last question: you don't get to base your hiring decision on pregnancy. It is against the law. And you are a Neanderthal fuckhead for even thinking, let alone posting such garbage.

    You must be under the impression that companies don't take illegal risks, or that no illegal action goes unpunished. For example, how would you prove you were brushed aside because of a pregnancy and not your hot-headed personality? Most hiring managers aren't dumb enough to admit their illegal prejudices, so you won't have any evidence.

    In my experience, being a woman is a red flag. Women tend to be bossy and mean, especially to us passive geek types. They win arguments by ignoring logic, and they screw over employers by being whores. I didn't always think this way, but two decades of being run over by the XX express have changed my perspective.

  • Joe Rai (unregistered) in reply to Scotty
    Scotty:
    Scott is a FACADE

    Brilliant!

  • (cs) in reply to KR
    KR:
    Alan:
    I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years.

    Health care is free where you are? So tell me, do the doctors in your country enjoy being unpaid slaves?

    "Free" has nothing to do with funding. Everyone over here knows that health care costs, and a lot, but it's still free.

    If you buy e.g. a car, and get a pair of sunglasses free with the purchase, would you say "no it isn't free, someone's gotta pay for it"?

    Free in the monetary sense always means free-for-me, no other meaning is sensible or even possible. Thus, even if health care is funded by taxes, it's still free, because if I don't pay any taxes, I still get health care.

  • TheDesi (unregistered) in reply to Cheese
    Cheese:
    I had an Indian coworker a few years ago who, when trying to say "I made a mistake on [system] and my boss chewed me out" actually said "I made a mistake on [system] and my boss ate me out". We all held in our laughter pretty well but the 20-something young lady programmer in the group turned an incredible shade of red.

    I can identify with that, being Indian myself. Most of us grow up learning the Queen's English and speak a creole of our regional languages mixed with it. Coming to America for the first time, I realized that people here spoke American, not quite English.

    My first manager once asked me about status on a module I was working on and how soon I'd be done.

    My reply - "I'm at the fag end of it".

    I've never quite seen someone double up with laughter so quickly! :D

  • (cs) in reply to fbjon
    fbjon:
    If you buy e.g. a car, and get a pair of sunglasses free with the purchase, would you say "no it isn't free, someone's gotta pay for it"?

    TANSTAAFL. Or TANSTAAFPOS, for that matter.

  • Thomas (unregistered)

    "Recently I (a Java architect) and one of our IT managers were interviewing a guy for a Java developer position."

    Java architect. Boy, can Sun's marketing come up with bullshit on par with Apple's.

    Since Java's a "technology" and not, god forbid, a "programming language", it's only natural you'd need a "Java architect."

    Bullshit for clueless corporate suits who like to feel important.

  • (cs)

    Scott is a worthless sack of shit.

    Fuck you.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous

    The guy was a DJ - if you need to sell trade secrets for a $2 fix of a non-addictive drug, you're not being paid enough and have other serious problems.

  • Suitless (unregistered) in reply to Thomas

    No drug testing at your company I assume.

  • Chestnut (unregistered) in reply to SparkyRoosta
    SparkyRoosta:
    The only jobs that should be drug tested are safety critical jobs where you need insurance and you need to make sure that the guy working the wrecking ball has the least likelihood of being impaired... although, they should include daily alcohol tests for those types of jobs too.

    And driving cars. Drug-users should not be allowed to drive a car. In 99% of the U.S., that further prohibits them from working.

  • (cs)

    WTF's:

    The interviewee using his DJ'ing as an explanation to the question (even though there's probably a fair correlation).

    Scott's reaction (if not an embellishment by Jake).

  • Alan (unregistered) in reply to Ozymandias
    Ozymandias:

    Just because you pay for it with taxes doesn't mean it is free.

    Do you have to pay to call the police? No. Does that make it free to call the Police? Yes. Do you pay for the Police? Yes - through taxes.

    "Free" is shorthand for "Free at the point of use". I pay National Insurance which (in theory) pays for my healthcare. If I was not paying National Insurance (too old, too young, too poor) then my healthcare would, actually, be free.

  • loki (unregistered) in reply to Sarge!
    Sarge!:
    I'm from Canada, but worked in California for 6 years. When a small company I was working for was bought out by a big one they had all the employees take drug tests.

    One of the best guy on our team did test positive. He was really really good at his job, plus I never ever even think he could be the kind of guy to use drugs. (And I worked there for 3 years with him) So needless to say, not only it wasn't an issue with his ability to do his job... if it wouldn't be for the test, you wouldn't know he used it.

    He was let go.. just because of that. When I asked him, he just plainly said, that yes... he smoked once in a while during week-ends.

    To this day (5 years later) I fail to see ANY use in those drug test policies... I actually think they are bad. Sure way to loose some really creative people on your team!

    Way to go US... freedom loving country ;-)

    hahaha.

    Yes, we are a freedom-loving country. And you are missing the point - "smoking" a controlled substance is ILLEGAL in the US; (whether it should be or not is a subject for a different forum). Employers do not want to hire someone who may be going to jail soon, as that defeats the purpose of the hiring. Employers also do not want to hire pedophiles (hey, man, he is a super coder - he just likes to rape little girls on his own time) or murderers (he's a super sysadmin, and he only kills those he feels deserve it). I'm sure that with a little thought (and you are apparently only capable of a little thought) that you can understand that an employer may not want the company's image to be associated with illegal actions of any kind - it makes sales more difficult, even to Canadian companies...

    hahaha

  • loki (unregistered) in reply to Sarge!
    Sarge!:
    I'm from Canada, but worked in California for 6 years. When a small company I was working for was bought out by a big one they had all the employees take drug tests.

    One of the best guy on our team did test positive. He was really really good at his job, plus I never ever even think he could be the kind of guy to use drugs. (And I worked there for 3 years with him) So needless to say, not only it wasn't an issue with his ability to do his job... if it wouldn't be for the test, you wouldn't know he used it.

    He was let go.. just because of that. When I asked him, he just plainly said, that yes... he smoked once in a while during week-ends.

    To this day (5 years later) I fail to see ANY use in those drug test policies... I actually think they are bad. Sure way to loose some really creative people on your team!

    Way to go US... freedom loving country ;-)

    hahaha.

    Yes, we are a freedom-loving country. And you are missing the point - "smoking" a controlled substance is ILLEGAL in the US; (whether it should be or not is a subject for a different forum). Employers do not want to hire someone who may be going to jail soon, as that defeats the purpose of the hiring. Employers also do not want to hire pedophiles (hey, man, he is a super coder - he just likes to rape little girls on his own time) or murderers (he's a super sysadmin, and he only kills those he feels deserve it). I'm sure that with a little thought (and you are apparently only capable of a little thought) that you can understand that an employer may not want the company's image to be associated with illegal actions of any kind - it makes sales more difficult, even to Canadian companies...

    hahaha

  • Coke freak (unregistered)

    Perfectly legitimate question, cunt.

  • Hard core tattoo of a fairy (unregistered)

    Are you scared of drugs because you probably have hep-c?

  • Sebastian (unregistered) in reply to Some Guy Who Never Posts Comments (Well, Not Usually Anyway)
    Some Guy Who Never Posts Comments (Well:
    Okay, so which definition of "free" are you using? It most certainly isn't "free as in beer" and it also isn't "free as in speech". In fact, there are

    Of COURSE he's using the "free as in beer definition". Even free beer has been paid by someone at some point of time, but right now, it's free to me. If, say, a state-run agency threw a party with free beer, would you not call it free beer since tax payer money is involved?

    No need to get all philosophical about it...

    Free health care is free in the same way that credit cards let you buy things for free. Except that some other guy is using your credit card and sending you the bill.

    Well, then it's free to him, right?

  • VP (unregistered) in reply to Huf Lungdung
    Huf Lungdung:
    I'm surprised no one brought this up before...

    TRWTF is ditching your classes for that long, just to attend job interviews. That isn't to say landing an interview isn't important, but IMO it isn't worth it to risk low or failing grades in your classes.

    Work experience = means something. Education = means close to nothing if you have experience.

  • (cs) in reply to loki
    loki:
    Yes, we are a freedom-loving country. And you are missing the point - "smoking" a controlled substance is ILLEGAL in the US; (whether it should be or not is a subject for a different forum). Employers do not want to hire someone who may be going to jail soon, as that defeats the purpose of the hiring. Employers also do not want to hire pedophiles (hey, man, he is a super coder - he just likes to rape little girls on his own time) or murderers (he's a super sysadmin, and he only kills those he feels deserve it).

    But unless the job requires it, companies do not normally check police records. It's just that drugs are illegal AND relatively easy to test for. Alcohol is even easier to test for, but not illegal. Murder and rape are even more illegal than drugs -- assuming one can identify degrees of legality -- but pretty hard to test for. So drug use gets singled out.

  • Man 987876980 (unregistered)

    Firstly, what are "tattoo sleeves"?

    Secondly, why did he ask about drug checks in the context of being a DJ?

    ps: my auto-complete suggests I'm getting captchas I've had before, which is odd considering I post rarely.

  • (cs) in reply to Man 987876980
    Man 987876980:
    Firstly, what are "tattoo sleeves"?
    Firstly, the name should be self-explanatory enough.

    Secondly, Google is your friend.

  • dan (unregistered)

    My team is fairly international. We were working through a design for a GUI, and a Spanish colleague of mine announced that a button should be "fcksy". My english colleagues and I looked blankly at her and asked her to repeat herself, and she did. An Italian colleague turned to us and said "you know, fcksy". Eventually, we worked out she was trying to describe a colour, and we quickly realised she meant 'fuchsia'. But, unfortunately, the description had stuck.

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