The Daily WTF: Curious Perversions in Information Technology

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

The sexism was in assuming that this specific manager's stupidity can somehow be generalized to all women. Overgeneralization is very representative of whathever-ism, though.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

AlienLogic( data ) string = "bleep" if logic( data ) { string = "bloop" } return string;

DogLogic( data ) string = "Grrr"; if logic( data ) { string = "Woof" } return string

Ha ha, I joke. In fact I do have a function called human_date_tooltip that I wrap around date output on web pages. At least I'll use it until it wears out.

cellocgw · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Yazeran:
Well assuming that all 2300 lines contained simply iterations of the two shown, then it could have been done in an hour by coding a generator...

But then he'd need to write lots of generators so as not to wear one out...

cellocgw · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

MC:
The office manager where I used to work was originally responsible for assigning projects tracking codes as they were created. (The codes were just sequential integers with a simple suffix.) She wouldn't give a project a tracking code until she felt the project was "real." This caused a lot of problems with time coding as projects without tracking codes all got time-billed to "Miscellaneous." When 35% of your time billing is "Miscellaneous" the purpose of time-billing is being somewhat diluted.
The relevant point is that I was hired to fix the system, and I set up a simple routine where project managers could assign a tracking code whenever they went over a certain number of hours or various other conditions were met for a given project. They just clicked "New Project" and the system would increment the code and assign a new one.

She had a fit.

Why?

"They'll just assign numbers to everything."

And?

"We'll run out of numbers!"

fin -

See, somebody once told her "64k numbers should be enough for anyone." and from that day on she lived in fear of running out of numbers.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Zapp Brannigan:
What would a feminist programming language look like? Just imagine any Turing complete language and remove all reason and accountability.

+1000

This was a pretty funny line in "As Good As It Gets" because it played on a widely held stereotype. ALL stereotypes exist for a reason, and stereotypes are fine in and of themselves. The problem is when someone uses a group stereotype to pre-judge an individual. That's when it becomes racists, sexist, etc.

Some people on here are being too sensitive about stereotype jokes.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Bas:
public static string FemaleLogic(object data) { string result = "Yes"; if (Logic(data)) { result = "No"; } return "Maybe"; }

FTFY

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Damn... No we've been so overoccupied with whether or not a joke is sexist, NOBODY noticed the error inherrent in ALL these implementations:

Booleans can be one (and only one) of the following (and only the following) values: True False FileNotFound

what's happening to this site?

operagost · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Anon:
Is it any wonder there aren't many women in tech?

Because they have no sense of humor?

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

flukus:
I don't know why this is a WTF, methods do get slower the more you use them.
I was profiling an application the other day and 1 method was taking up 50% of the wall time. I duplicated the method and updated half the references and got it down to 25%.

I could of improved performance further but I think I struck the right balance between performance and maintainability. Plus, it's nice to have something like that up my sleeve when performance reviews roll around again.

Please tell me this is sarcasm!

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
Matteo:
Thank god you provided an anecdote that *proves* that *all* women are silly geese! It's so heartening to think that no man has ever said something so stupid.
And then some of us read that anecdote and never once considered the fact that her gender might have been implicated in her stupidity. It was her gender; everyone has one; changing her to a male in the story just to avoid stereotyping females is sexist, and trying to write with gender-neutral language is just a pain in the ass.

I apologize if the OP of that anecdote was just relating a pretty good WTF, and not generalizing about women. The fact that the story was about a manager (whereas today's article was about an intern), and that the story ended with "fin", which sounds a lot like someone proving a point, is what made me assume that the story was related to the sexism conversation. However, I may have misread it; if so, I apologize. I certainly don't expect gender erasure in these stories. After all, where would this site be without Paula Bean?

However, there have been enough disturbing comments on this thread that I think do deserve calling out. Beyond the fact that there are TDWTF readers who are women, there are also many among us who have daughters; daughters who we want to raise that don't have to put up with this sexist shit. But it's hard; for every counter example - for every Grace Hopper or Lady Ada - for every Rosalind Franklin, Marie Curie, or Emmy Noether, they will be bombarded by hundreds, probably thousands of sexist slurs about how women are irrational and inferior.

It's heartbreaking, and it's impossible to undo all the damage that is done by attitudes like some of the ones on display here. It's no longer "just a joke" when the message your daughter sees is ubiquitous in almost every forum, whether online or face to face.

So that's why, without my earlier sarcasm, is why some of these comments disturb me so.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

ceiswyn:
anonymous coward:
Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.

I do find neuroplasticity a fascinating field. I wish I'd studied it more. Though not as much as I wish that most people had studied it at all :)

If you want to argue that that's entirely due to socialised effects, be my guest. Maybe you'll invent the next cure for gayness. If it can be taught, it can be untaught.

If you can find me an environment that I can put my subjects in for about twenty years that provides support for women speaking out, constantly pictures them as capable and rational in the media, emphasises what they do rather than what they look like, doesn't blame them for acts of violence committed against them etc etc...

...then I won't bother doing the study, I'll just move in :)

Provides support for women speaking out. Not only do we have sexual harassment laws that handle exactly that. But I see plenty of avenues for PEOPLE to speak out. And isn't that what it's about. Why do there have to be avenues specifically for women. If you start dividing the culture like that, how can you complain that the culture is divided? How about a uniform platform that lets everyone speak out equally. Which is what I see.
Constantly pictures them as capable. Not only do all the sitcoms show the women as more capable than men, they show them smarter, more sociable, more responsible, and more organized. What is picturing women as incapable?
Doesn't blame them for acts of violence against them. Really, I can't think of the last time a woman was blamed for getting assaulted. I do however, wish that people would dress how they want to be treated, men and women alike (sagging pants... ).

I think you'll be forced to find more and more isolated cases to support your fantasy horror realm where women are still treated unequal.

The only way you'll get women to be treated more equal is if you socialism-style force them in to venues that men dominate. Why aren't 50% of CEOs women? Better to ask why only 20% of people wanting to be a CEO is a woman.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Matteo:
anonymous:
Matteo:
Thank god you provided an anecdote that *proves* that *all* women are silly geese! It's so heartening to think that no man has ever said something so stupid.
And then some of us read that anecdote and never once considered the fact that her gender might have been implicated in her stupidity. It was her gender; everyone has one; changing her to a male in the story just to avoid stereotyping females is sexist, and trying to write with gender-neutral language is just a pain in the ass.

I apologize if the OP of that anecdote was just relating a pretty good WTF, and not generalizing about women. The fact that the story was about a manager (whereas today's article was about an intern), and that the story ended with "fin", which sounds a lot like someone proving a point, is what made me assume that the story was related to the sexism conversation. However, I may have misread it; if so, I apologize. I certainly don't expect gender erasure in these stories. After all, where would this site be without Paula Bean?

However, there have been enough disturbing comments on this thread that I think do deserve calling out. Beyond the fact that there are TDWTF readers who are women, there are also many among us who have daughters; daughters who we want to raise that don't have to put up with this sexist shit. But it's hard; for every counter example - for every Grace Hopper or Lady Ada - for every Rosalind Franklin, Marie Curie, or Emmy Noether, they will be bombarded by hundreds, probably thousands of sexist slurs about how women are irrational and inferior.

It's heartbreaking, and it's impossible to undo all the damage that is done by attitudes like some of the ones on display here. It's no longer "just a joke" when the message your daughter sees is ubiquitous in almost every forum, whether online or face to face.

So that's why, without my earlier sarcasm, is why some of these comments disturb me so.

I'm not going to lie; sexist jokes are funny. Why? Because sometimes it's nice to withdraw from the huge ball of yarn with all its variables and reduce something to a small black box which you have no hope of ever beginning to understand. And then you bitch about it in the most unfair terms. And then you feel better! You are fortified to go back into the real world and face the ball of yarn again. Nothing said in such cynical, bitching moments should be taken seriously, or extended to realistically describe your feelings toward an entire part of humanity in general. As long as you don't take your cynicism too seriously, it's a helpful way to release some stress.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

C-Derb:
Zapp Brannigan:
What would a feminist programming language look like? Just imagine any Turing complete language and remove all reason and accountability.
+1000
This was a pretty funny line in "As Good As It Gets" because it played on a widely held stereotype. ALL stereotypes exist for a reason, and stereotypes are fine in and of themselves. The problem is when someone uses a group stereotype to pre-judge an individual. That's when it becomes racists, sexist, etc.

Some people on here are being too sensitive about stereotype jokes.

Spot on.

If you want to remove any joke that groups women.

You'll have to stop joking about rednecks. Stop showing Christians as illogical science fearing idiots. Stop showing men as pigs on sitcoms. Stop people from joking about themselves due to a quality that's shared with other people.

What a boring world.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

C-Derb:
Zapp Brannigan:
What would a feminist programming language look like? Just imagine any Turing complete language and remove all reason and accountability.
+1000
This was a pretty funny line in "As Good As It Gets" because it played on a widely held stereotype. ALL stereotypes exist for a reason, and stereotypes are fine in and of themselves. The problem is when someone uses a group stereotype to pre-judge an individual. That's when it becomes racists, sexist, etc.

Some people on here are being too sensitive about stereotype jokes.

Spot on.

If you want to remove any joke that groups women.

You'll have to stop joking about rednecks. Stop showing Christians as illogical science fearing idiots. Stop showing men as pigs on sitcoms. Stop people from joking about themselves due to a quality that's shared with other people.

What a boring world.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

And besides.

Why don't we get angry when a positive quality is related to a group.

"Women are beautiful. And when they smile, they are 10x more beautiful." - ME.

I've said that often.

I don't remember the last time a woman said, "OMG sexist pig, I'm ugly and I hate to smile. How dare you stereotype women."

operagost · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Valued Service:
And besides.
Why don't we get angry when a positive quality is related to a group.

We do. Just try noting a certain group's skill in basketball. The problem is that we are dominated by race-baiting cretins who think that a positive comment on a feature of one group must indicate that group is deficient in other ways.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Valued Service:
And besides.
Why don't we get angry when a positive quality is related to a group.

"Women are beautiful. And when they smile, they are 10x more beautiful." - ME.

I've said that often.

I don't remember the last time a woman said, "OMG sexist pig, I'm ugly and I hate to smile. How dare you stereotype women."

Actually ... that's sexist too.

See, what you're doing when you say "you're so pretty, you should really smile (more)" is saying basically "You must conform to the way I want to view the world. It is my desire that you smile, so you must smile. I am more powerful than you, and you are to be subject to my whims and desires."

You obviously don't consider that maybe they just found out some bad news two seconds before, or they thought about an occasion that was sad, or any of a thousand potential reasons for a person to not smile.

It would be less sexist if you went around telling men the same thing "you're beautiful when you smile, you really need to smile more" but it would still be the problem of "I'm in a position of power over you, so you must do what I tell you" or why the hell would you make such a comment in the first place?

The issue is that you don't understand why it hurts other people when you use language like this because for so long everyone has been told to smile and be polite and not talk back and people are injured emotionally because you're a dick, and nobody ever stopped to tell you because they did not want to be the same offensive person that you are to them.

So, go on and be pissed and tell me how I'm missing the big picture and I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, but I assure you, I know very well why that simple comment is harmful. I encourage you to think about why it might be harmful to someone else.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

TheOldNewFuManChu:
Valued Service:
"Women are beautiful. And when they smile, they are 10x more beautiful." - ME.

See, what you're doing when you say "you're so pretty, you should really smile (more)" .....

You have taken one comment and turned it around into something that was never stated.

This is a YOU problem.

Matt Westwood · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
anonymous:
[quote user="ceiswyn"][quote user="Valued Service"] Fact: Men and women think differently. Sometimes even polar oppositely.[/QUOTE]
Stating that something is a fact doesn't make it true.

Men and women are heavily socialised to think differently, but even so there's plenty of evidence that the variation between the genders is overwhelmed by the variation within each.[/quote]Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.

If you want to argue that that's entirely due to socialised effects, be my guest. Maybe you'll invent the next cure for gayness. If it can be taught, it can be untaught.
What the hell? That [/QUOTE] tag appears to have completely broken the quoting, but I swear it was all caps already. Somehow it worked correctly in ceiswyn's post and broke when I quoted it.

Pah! Women drivers.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

TheOldNewFuManChu:
Actually ... that's sexist too.
See, what you're doing when you say "you're so pretty, you should really smile (more)" is saying basically "You must conform to the way I want to view the world. It is my desire that you smile, so you must smile. I am more powerful than you, and you are to be subject to my whims and desires."

Err, that's just dumb. You're making a joke, right? You could say that about literally anything.

See, what you're doing when you say "Have a nice day!" is saying basically "You must conform to the way I want to view the world. It is my desire that you have a nice day, so you must have a nice day. I am more powerful than you, and you are to be subject to my whims and desires."

You obviously don't consider that maybe they just found out some bad news two seconds before, or they thought about an occasion that was sad, or any of a thousand potential reasons for a person to not have a nice day.

Therefore, clearly, without question or a shadow of a doubt, telling someone, anyone, to have a nice day, is sexism against women. Obviously.

Matt Westwood · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

TheOldNewFuManChu:
Valued Service:
And besides.
Why don't we get angry when a positive quality is related to a group.

"Women are beautiful. And when they smile, they are 10x more beautiful." - ME.

I've said that often.

I don't remember the last time a woman said, "OMG sexist pig, I'm ugly and I hate to smile. How dare you stereotype women."

Actually ... that's sexist too.

See, what you're doing when you say "you're so pretty, you should really smile (more)" is saying basically "You must conform to the way I want to view the world. It is my desire that you smile, so you must smile. I am more powerful than you, and you are to be subject to my whims and desires."

You obviously don't consider that maybe they just found out some bad news two seconds before, or they thought about an occasion that was sad, or any of a thousand potential reasons for a person to not smile.

It would be less sexist if you went around telling men the same thing "you're beautiful when you smile, you really need to smile more" but it would still be the problem of "I'm in a position of power over you, so you must do what I tell you" or why the hell would you make such a comment in the first place?

The issue is that you don't understand why it hurts other people when you use language like this because for so long everyone has been told to smile and be polite and not talk back and people are injured emotionally because you're a dick, and nobody ever stopped to tell you because they did not want to be the same offensive person that you are to them.

So, go on and be pissed and tell me how I'm missing the big picture and I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, but I assure you, I know very well why that simple comment is harmful. I encourage you to think about why it might be harmful to someone else.

Fuck this shit. We come here for light-hearted relaxation away from the bunch of arse that makes up our working lives. You humourless ones want to take even that away from us, and I don't care if you're a prick or a split-arse, just fuck off.

Matt Westwood · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

So, back on topic ...

There was a programming course at some college somewhere (in BASIC - it was a long time ago), and this was encountered in a student's assignment:

:
:
50 A = 200
60 A = 200
70 A = 200
80 A = 200
90 A = 200
:
:

"What's all this?" asked the teacher.

"I want to make sure the computer gets the message," said the student. No, I'm not going to tell you what her gender was, it's not relevant.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

MC:
She had a *fit.*
Why?

"They'll just assign numbers to everything."

And?

"We'll run out of numbers!"

We once got a new assistant (for a short time only), who among other things sent out bills. The company was just freshly started. So we reached bill #99. The next bill she sent was #990, then #991, …, #999, #9990 and she was caught around #9995.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
No, I'm not going to tell you what her gender was, it's not relevant.

I see what you did there. ;)

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

[quote user="anonymous"]Men and women are heavily socialised to think differently, but even so there's plenty of evidence that the variation between the genders is overwhelmed by the variation within each.[/quote]Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.[/quote] I don't quite understand what you are saying. For gay people, their "identified" gender is the same as their birth gender.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

gnasher729:
anonymous:
Men and women are heavily socialised to think differently, but even so there's plenty of evidence that the variation between the genders is overwhelmed by the variation within each.
Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.
I don't quite understand what you are saying. For gay people, their "identified" gender is the same as their birth gender.

Yea! Semantics debate! These are so much fun.

You must be a delight to write requirements for.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

[quote user="gnasher729"][quote user="anonymous"]Men and women are heavily socialised to think differently, but even so there's plenty of evidence that the variation between the genders is overwhelmed by the variation within each.[/quote]Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.[/quote] I don't quite understand what you are saying. For gay people, their "identified" gender is the same as their birth gender. [/quote]I used "birth gender" to mean their sex. Prior to being able to ask them what gender they felt like they were, it is the only way to determine a baby's gender. And you knew what I meant. Stop being a pedantic jackoff.

tweek · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
I used "birth gender" to mean their sex. Prior to being able to ask them what gender they felt like they were, it is the only way to determine a baby's gender. And you knew what I meant. Stop being a pedantic jackoff.

Gay people identify with their 'birth gender', they're just attracted to persons of the same gender.

Perhaps you were thinking of transpeople who identify themselves with a gender that doesn't match their 'birth gender'?

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

MightyM:
Please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up, please let this story be made up.

Is it on thedailywtf.com?

Then it's made up.

clively · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Color me not surprised. In a world where everything is disposable, why shouldn't code be this way?

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

tweek:
anonymous:
I used "birth gender" to mean their sex. Prior to being able to ask them what gender they felt like they were, it is the only way to determine a baby's gender. And you knew what I meant. Stop being a pedantic jackoff.

Gay people identify with their 'birth gender', they're just attracted to persons of the same gender.

Perhaps you were thinking of transpeople who identify themselves with a gender that doesn't match their 'birth gender'?

It doesn't really matter for the sake of this argument what gender they identify themselves as. What matters is how their brains work, and who they're attracted to is apparently correlated to that.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

I don't know what's worse - that your comment is sexist or that it is not funny. "Hey, I'm such a badass h4cker, I've changed two strings in 6 lines of code".

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

[/quote]I used "birth gender" to mean their sex. Prior to being able to ask them what gender they felt like they were, it is the only way to determine a baby's gender. And you knew what I meant. Stop being a pedantic jackoff.[/quote] You seem to be very confused about how this gay thing works.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Anon:
Is it any wonder there aren't many women in tech?

oh FFS, someone makes a (common) joke (which is regularly propogated across all types of social media by women as well as men) and suddenly everyone in IT is a mysoginist. Sometimes I'm not sure it's the boys that have to grow up!

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Anonymous Will:
The sexism was in assuming that this specific manager's stupidity can somehow be generalized to all women. Overgeneralization is very representative of whathever-ism, though.

indeed. And show me again where the OP made such a generalisation?

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Bas:
public static string FemaleLogic(object data) { string result = "Yes"; if (Logic(data)) { result = "No"; } return result; }

public static string HusbandLogic(object data){ string result = "Yes Dear"; if(logic(Data)) { result = "Yes Dear"; } return result; }

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Janey:
Anon:
Is it any wonder there aren't many women in tech?
oh FFS, someone makes a (common) joke (which is regularly propogated across all types of social media by women as well as men) and suddenly everyone in IT is a mysoginist. Sometimes I'm not sure it's the boys that have to grow up!

Women make this lame ass joke as well? I don't think so. The real problem with this "joke" is, that it's just not funny. Like, at all.

Also: No means no.

PedanticCurmudgeon · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

I'm not sure who is more annoying: the offended feminists or those who are obviously trolling them. It would be an interesting plot twist if the two sets overlapped.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

[quote user="gnasher729"][/quote]I used "birth gender" to mean their sex. Prior to being able to ask them what gender they felt like they were, it is the only way to determine a baby's gender. And you knew what I meant. Stop being a pedantic jackoff.[/quote] You seem to be very confused about how this gay thing works. [/quote]We once had a gay manager, and he was 20 times dumber than the woman manager that enraged much of this discussion....

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Hannes:
Janey:
Anon:
Is it any wonder there aren't many women in tech?
oh FFS, someone makes a (common) joke (which is regularly propogated across all types of social media by women as well as men) and suddenly everyone in IT is a mysoginist. Sometimes I'm not sure it's the boys that have to grow up!

Women make this lame ass joke as well? I don't think so. The real problem with this "joke" is, that it's just not funny. Like, at all.

Also: No means no.

I, for one, have certainly seen equivalent jokes about the seemingly irrational minds of women frequently posted/shared/passed on on FB - and more often than not it seems to be the women passing it on, apparently amused by the fact that the men find them a complete mystery.

And there (I think) is the problem. Many people are amused by perceived stereotypical differences between different groups of people. Perhaps we should just ban humour altogether...

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

I fear the world my kids will grow up in if some of the loonies on this site had their way!

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Valued Service:
ceiswyn:
anonymous coward:
Not only is "men and women think differently" a fact, but the brains of men and women are so markedly different that there have been studies which showed that a gay person's brain scan looks more like that of an individual of their identified gender rather than their birth gender.

I do find neuroplasticity a fascinating field. I wish I'd studied it more. Though not as much as I wish that most people had studied it at all :)

If you want to argue that that's entirely due to socialised effects, be my guest. Maybe you'll invent the next cure for gayness. If it can be taught, it can be untaught.

If you can find me an environment that I can put my subjects in for about twenty years that provides support for women speaking out, constantly pictures them as capable and rational in the media, emphasises what they do rather than what they look like, doesn't blame them for acts of violence committed against them etc etc...

...then I won't bother doing the study, I'll just move in :)

Provides support for women speaking out. Not only do we have sexual harassment laws that handle exactly that. But I see plenty of avenues for PEOPLE to speak out. And isn't that what it's about. Why do there have to be avenues specifically for women. If you start dividing the culture like that, how can you complain that the culture is divided? How about a uniform platform that lets everyone speak out equally. Which is what I see.

Constantly pictures them as capable. Not only do all the sitcoms show the women as more capable than men, they show them smarter, more sociable, more responsible, and more organized. What is picturing women as incapable?

Doesn't blame them for acts of violence against them. Really, I can't think of the last time a woman was blamed for getting assaulted. I do however, wish that people would dress how they want to be treated, men and women alike (sagging pants... ).

I think you'll be forced to find more and more isolated cases to support your fantasy horror realm where women are still treated unequal.

The only way you'll get women to be treated more equal is if you socialism-style force them in to venues that men dominate. Why aren't 50% of CEOs women? Better to ask why only 20% of people wanting to be a CEO is a woman.

I agree with most of this TBH. I have no problem with equality, but I do have a problem with trying to substitute one equality with another. Feminism is not about equality - even the name is gender-biased. I know many feminists are offedned by that, and I know they'll attack me and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about (and perhaps cite a couple of wikipedia references), but on the topic of not knowing what someone's talking about - what makes a feminist qualified to preach to me about how feminism is about equality, then shut me down as not knowing what I'm talking about when I show a differing opinion?

Just sayin'

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

I think this article takes the all-time record for most number of comments with fucked-up [quote] tags.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
I think this article takes the all-time record for most number of comments with fucked-up[quote.] tags.

yeap, people are being inconsistent with the case used on the male tag and the female tag

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

This never happened!

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

TheOldNewFuManChu:
Valued Service:
And besides.
Why don't we get angry when a positive quality is related to a group.

"Women are beautiful. And when they smile, they are 10x more beautiful." - ME.

I've said that often.

I don't remember the last time a woman said, "OMG sexist pig, I'm ugly and I hate to smile. How dare you stereotype women."

Actually ... that's sexist too.

See, what you're doing when you say "you're so pretty, you should really smile (more)" is saying basically "You must conform to the way I want to view the world. It is my desire that you smile, so you must smile. I am more powerful than you, and you are to be subject to my whims and desires."

You obviously don't consider that maybe they just found out some bad news two seconds before, or they thought about an occasion that was sad, or any of a thousand potential reasons for a person to not smile.

It would be less sexist if you went around telling men the same thing "you're beautiful when you smile, you really need to smile more" but it would still be the problem of "I'm in a position of power over you, so you must do what I tell you" or why the hell would you make such a comment in the first place?

The issue is that you don't understand why it hurts other people when you use language like this because for so long everyone has been told to smile and be polite and not talk back and people are injured emotionally because you're a dick, and nobody ever stopped to tell you because they did not want to be the same offensive person that you are to them.

So, go on and be pissed and tell me how I'm missing the big picture and I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, but I assure you, I know very well why that simple comment is harmful. I encourage you to think about why it might be harmful to someone else.

I never said, "You should really smile more". I simply said that I find that when a woman smiles, she's even more attractive. Be careful here. Am I to understand you think that: Being attracted to women is sexist? Because if being more attracted to smiling women is sexist? Then being attracted to women at all, is just less sexist.
How can it not be equally sexist to make a comment to people who share my gender? Do you find it annoying that minorities use slang to refer to themselves that non-minorities can't say.
I never tell people to not talk to me. I for one, if someone asks me how I'm doing, if I'm not doing well, say so. Most people run off or look blank, but if you're going to ask... Matter of fact, I like to listen to people. It helps them.
I don't think you're missing the big picture as much as, you don't listen. You inject your thoughts because you've gotten so emotional about the topic that you are unable to communicate anymore. All communication with you is one-way-out.
If in fact, you're simply spouting random thoughts at me, that I'm supposed to somehow control my actions in such a way as for you to never experience such emotions.... ok, how does this work? I'm absolutely convinced at this point that people's emotions are THEIR problem. I like to avoid them experiencing such problems, but I simply cannot bear the weight of avoiding offending people who inject their thoughts into my conversation without listening or bothering respecting an open floor of communication.

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Matteo:
Bas:
public static string FemaleLogic(object data) { string result = "Yes"; if (Logic(data)) { result = "No"; } return result; }

Haha! Yes! So funny because women are illogical! And kudos to the site for making this a featured comment! Really gives it that extra kick!

Hey, do you think we could work in a joke about how women should just be making us sandwiches all the time? That would be totally boss!

Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? A: One. And it's NOT FUNNY!

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

Ah! TRWTF is inconsistent coding style?!

no laughing matter · 2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
It doesn't really matter for the sake of this argument what gender they identify themselves as. What matters is how their brains work, and who they're attracted to is apparently correlated to that.

Unfortunately it is a bit more complicated than:

MALE
FEMALE
SEX_NOT_FOUND

But this is 4chan, we can deal with that!

Just tested, the above link is a google search on thedailywtf.com for "zunesis" and apparantly only works if you have javascript enabled (which you shouldn't!)

2013-12-18 Reply Admin

anonymous:
It doesn't really matter for the sake of this argument what gender they identify themselves as. What matters is how their brains work, and who they're attracted to is apparently correlated to that.

To get it into your dumb head: Gay men identify themselves as males. Gay women identify themselves as females. People identifying themselves as something other than their birth gender are not gay.

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