• (cs) in reply to Justice
    Justice:
    Also, The Real WTF is Erica/IrishGirl's boyfriend. I really hope they're at some sort of costume party with a "lounge" theme. Otherwise, that's a level of skeeze you rarely see.
    That photo needs to be on Hot Chicks with Douchebags
  • Frost (unregistered) in reply to sweavo
    sweavo:
    Asking what race someone IS is a simplification of race, since races mix (at least outside the US and South Africa they do)

    Just to be clear, for the sake of bigots and/or British, races do, in fact, mix here in the USA.

  • race question (unregistered)

    I saw race questions like that when I did online survey work to build demographic groups.

    Marketing uses it to make statements such as: "People who identify as Hispanic prefer this color doodad. We should take the following marketing approach for this group of people."

  • (cs) in reply to Justice
    Justice:
    Also, The Real WTF is Erica/IrishGirl's boyfriend. I really hope they're at some sort of costume party with a "lounge" theme. Otherwise, that's a level of skeeze you rarely see.

    And those same people think they are so cool that they insist on showing everyone the insides of their nostrils. It's sick.

  • (cs)

    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.

  • FIA (unregistered) in reply to GettinSadda
    GettinSadda:
    Would someone care to explain the problem with the race question? The only thing I can see is that it is a smaller list that I would have expected.

    The problem is it should never be asked IMHO. (Unless it's something medical), although in this case I think it was the overly PC wording of the question, or maybe they just thought they might get Ali G signing up.

  • Andy (unregistered) in reply to ComputerForumUser
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.
    ComputerForumUser:
    I don't see the WTF on the Lewis Hamilton article either - it reads just like any typical newspaper article.

    ...me neither.

  • Anonymous Coward (unregistered) in reply to DeLos
    DeLos:
    Also, kudos on the stalking skills mayo.
    spfffthhh!! zOMGWTFLOL
  • Pol (unregistered) in reply to freelancer
    freelancer:
    Vollhorst:
    I just wondered what a bad resolution the racing game had until I noticed it wasn't a game. :D
    Wtf, I thought that too :D

    Same...but then I remembered I'd missed St Paddys day and the opportunity to re-post the Irish girl pic... [image]

  • notJoeKing (unregistered) in reply to Andy
    Andy:

    ...me neither.

    Thread winner. lol.

  • adrian (unregistered)

    17179869184 = 2^34 17179869184G = 2^64

  • Steve (unregistered)

    Since race is really more a matter of perception than of biochemistry (the differences in DNA between the "races" are so minisicule as to be virtually negligible), yes, you do really have a choice as to which race you call yourself.

    Consider Senator Obama, for instance. Quick: is he "black" or "white"? He's actually both -- or neither. As I'm sure most people know, his father is from Kenya and is "black" and his mother is from the US and is "white".

    He could easily choose "African-American", "Black", "White", "Mixed Race", "Some other race", or "Decline to Answer".

    So, yes, Tyler does have a choice in the matter.

  • (cs) in reply to Pol
    Pol:
    Same...but then I remembered I'd missed St Paddys day and the opportunity to re-post the Irish girl pic...

    You used the page address instead of the Direct. At any rate, I've cobbled together a slideshow from the images I've been storing at ImageShack.

    http://img514.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img514/4421/1205860259q88.smil

  • Jay (unregistered)

    A few years ago I was asked to write some articles on HTML. For an article on the table tag, I grabbed some statistics from a government web site to use in an example. These statistics broke something or other out by "White - Non-hispanic", "Black", "Hispanic", and "Other". I got an email back from the publisher that he considered the term "White - Non-Hispanic" offensive. Another editor said that it was "inappropriate humor". I never bothered to revise the article. To this day I wonder, not only how the term could be considered "inappropriate", but who would consider it to be any sort of "humor". I don't get the joke, appropriate or otherwise.

    I came across something on the web claiming that Cleopatra -- of queen of Egypt fame -- was African-American. Now, as all historians agree that she was of Greek ancestry I think it's unlikely that she was dark-skinned, though I don't claim to have definitive knowledge on the subject. But I am absolutely sure that she was not African-American, as there is, to the best of my knowledge, absolutely zero evidence that she ever visited America or ever even met anyone who had.

  • 404 Name Not Found (unregistered) in reply to Roman Kennke
    Roman Kennke:
    The real WTF is that Eclipse only uses 168bytes.

    Not exactly true. "eclipse.exe" is a small program that acts as a monitor for the javaw process. If Java terminates unexpectedly, this will handle it and giver you some detail about the crash. It also deals with starting the Java process up, etc... It only is using about 904kB on my machine right now, which is still higher than the 168 bytes it thinks it is using here. but add in 800MB for the IDE and 200MB for the app server - it gets hefty pretty fast.

  • Justice (unregistered) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    I came across something on the web claiming that Cleopatra -- of queen of Egypt fame -- was African-American. Now, as all historians agree that she was of Greek ancestry I think it's unlikely that she was dark-skinned, though I don't claim to have definitive knowledge on the subject.

    Greeks can be very dark-skinned. They're not black, but they can be very dark nonetheless.

  • Code Guy (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that they are using the new "standard binary suffixes" (gibibyte, GiB, etc. What a stupid name!)

  • The Real WTF (unregistered) in reply to GettinSadda

    Would someone care to explain the problem with the race question?

    It seems that some people here don't realize that if you're 3/4 'white' but 1/4 'black' and have dark skin, you might self-identify as black. Or white, for that matter. Granted, you might choose mixed race (because there are plenty of them for all of us, and there's no such thing as a 'pure' race, just very fair or dark skin).

    This question touches on a lot that people are unaware of, especially the fact that self-identification is part of what makes people define them as a race. It's why I end up as 'caucasian' instead of Scottish/Irish/French/German, when all of those are very distinct groups, and similarly we blindly lump other 'black' groups together even though they're very, very different. Or Asians, for that matter.

    Race gets divided by the one thing we can see: skin color. But that's determined mostly by what latitude our ancestors lived at, so 'different' races might differ more in skin color than they do in anything else, while the 'same' races can get lumped together merely because they're a similar color.

    It's a lot more complex than most people realize. Thus the real WTF is how people can be unaware of that entire issue. Then again, in part, it can be a good thing. It may mean that they're 'colorblind'.

  • iMalc (unregistered)

    For those of you that are smart enough to stay away from it - The screenshot with the orange logo in the top left corner is from Lotus Notes!

  • (cs) in reply to Frost
    Frost:
    dbomp:
    Yah, I don't get the race one either. Maybe the thin distinction between "Black" and "African-American"?

    Black people who didn't ancestrally come to the US via slavery don't alwasy think of themselves as "African-American."

    So wouldn't it be easier to just to leave out African-American?

  • scoobasteve (unregistered) in reply to Frost

    probably more so in america than anywhere in the world.

  • (cs) in reply to SuperousOxide
    SuperousOxide:
    So wouldn't it be easier to just to leave out African-American?

    I wish, but that wouldn't be "Politically Correct" around here. That's why reporters call all "blacks" as "African-Americans". It pisses me off. Why do all "whites" get lumped into a general "Caucasian" designation when "blacks" can call themselves "African-Americans", even if they are not such (especially in the case of "mixing")? I bet many of their ancestors didn't even originate from Africa, yet they claim as such. Most forms don't even provide an "Indian-American" option. Only "blacks" get the "-American" suffix. I've started putting "Other" on all forms.

    At any rate -- this topic shouldn't have even come up.

  • scoobasteve (unregistered) in reply to Frost
    Frost:
    sweavo:
    Asking what race someone IS is a simplification of race, since races mix (at least outside the US and South Africa they do)

    Just to be clear, for the sake of bigots and/or British, races do, in fact, mix here in the USA.

    probably more so in america than anywhere in the world.

  • James Schend (unregistered)

    I miss the days when the form would have "Native American" on it. I'd always check that box, figuring that I was born in Washington State and you can't possibly get any more "native American" than that regardless of the color of my skin. Now they usually phrase it differently to eliminate that choice, and I always just check "decline to answer" or leave it blank.

  • MJ (unregistered) in reply to sweavo

    Which begs the question: are the minorities more qualified than the majority, or are they just discriminating against non-minorities? And of course, why is that an OK thing to do?

  • MJ (unregistered) in reply to sweavo
    sweavo:
    Asking what race someone IS is a simplification of race, since races mix (at least outside the US and South Africa they do) and it demands that the respondent understands some "correct" definition of race. Additionally, some people might feel aggrieved at being defined as e.g. "African American" when they were, e.g. Cuban-American, or British nationals. So it's both more politic and a more accurate question to ask people what they consider themselves to be.

    In Britain at least, the data is usually used only so that the corporation can say e.g. "25% of our employees are from minority groups even though only 15% of applicants are."

    Which begs the question: are the minorities more qualified than the majority, or are they just discriminating against non-minorities? And of course, why is that an OK thing to do?

    (Sorry for the double post)

  • (cs) in reply to Simetrical
    Simetrical:
    How do you manage to get -65535? 65535 I could understand, -32768 I could understand, but -65535? Even if it were a 17-bit int, in two's complement the minimum value would be -65536. Are they using some type that's represented internally as a boolean plus an unsigned short? Because that would be TRWTF. Especially because it should be a plain unsigned char to start with (or an unsigned short if they really plan on having 256 cars in some races).

    I first suspected a printing foo: Test the top bit of int16_t and print a negative sign, but then print the number as uint16_t. Now, after looking back at the screen capture, I suspect that all "Intervals" are negative (being behind the lead car), and they always print a minus sign before each number. So it's "-%u", in printf()-speak.

  • Matt (unregistered)

    I don't understand the race dropdown. How is that dropdown strange or funnily worded? It seems perfectly logical to me.

  • Nikki (unregistered) in reply to Justice
    Justice:
    Jay:
    I came across something on the web claiming that Cleopatra -- of queen of Egypt fame -- was African-American. Now, as all historians agree that she was of Greek ancestry I think it's unlikely that she was dark-skinned, though I don't claim to have definitive knowledge on the subject.

    Greeks can be very dark-skinned. They're not black, but they can be very dark nonetheless.

    The point is that she was not african-american because she a) wasn't born in america, b) never went there at all.

    Using the term 'african-american' to mean 'someone that is black' is pretty stupidly offensive to non-americans, or non-african heritage people. And yet another sign of the american self-centered worldview.

  • Gabe (unregistered) in reply to Jay

    In a similar vein, a few years ago I was looking for a book by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. For those not in the loop, Tutu is a rather famous South African. After failing to find the book on my own at a local Borders, I asked for help. The clerk consulted the inventory and found that it has been shelved in "African-American Literature."

    Never mind that the topic of the book being current affairs in South Africa, one might have thought that History or Politics may have been a suitable place to file it.

  • Justice (unregistered) in reply to Nikki
    Nikki:
    Justice:
    Jay:
    I came across something on the web claiming that Cleopatra -- of queen of Egypt fame -- was African-American. Now, as all historians agree that she was of Greek ancestry I think it's unlikely that she was dark-skinned, though I don't claim to have definitive knowledge on the subject.

    Greeks can be very dark-skinned. They're not black, but they can be very dark nonetheless.

    The point is that she was not african-american because she a) wasn't born in america, b) never went there at all.

    Using the term 'african-american' to mean 'someone that is black' is pretty stupidly offensive to non-americans, or non-african heritage people. And yet another sign of the american self-centered worldview.

    Yeah, I got the point, and I agree. Probably quoted too much, or didn't say enough, but I wanted to point out that Jay is sorely mistaken if he thinks a Greek wouldn't be dark-skinned.

  • BillyBob (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    I never quite understood all this discussion about RACE.

    Don't we all belong to the same race? No matter what your heritage, or the color of your skin or hair you are a member of THE HUMAN RACE. It might be more accurate to describe our subtle differences as breeds. But, some might take offense to that.

    I honestly think if we spent more energy acknowledging our similarities (as human beings) and stop focusing on our differences the world would be a better place.

    </soapbox>

    .....

    ...

    wanker

    ...

  • (cs)

    With the members of thedailywtf forum posting about such topics as which could be considered a pointless argument, unless you consider

    However, the esteemed mega-troll SpectateSwamp would have us believe yet drug use seems to have resulted in crazy obsessions and a rather his constant belief that his software may actually be useful to anyone.

    With the members of thedailywtf forum posting about such topics as which could be considered a pointless argument, unless you consider

    However, the esteemed mega-troll SpectateSwamp would have us believe yet drug use seems to have resulted in crazy obsessions and a rather his constant belief that his software may actually be useful to anyone.

    With the members of thedailywtf forum posting about such topics as which could be considered a pointless argument, unless you consider

    However, the esteemed mega-troll SpectateSwamp would have us believe yet drug use seems to have resulted in crazy obsessions and a rather his constant belief that his software may actually be useful to anyone.

    With the members of thedailywtf forum posting about such topics as which could be considered a pointless argument, unless you consider

    However, the esteemed mega-troll SpectateSwamp would have us believe yet drug use seems to have resulted in crazy obsessions and a rather his constant belief that his software may actually be useful to anyone.

    With the members of thedailywtf forum posting about such topics as which could be considered a pointless argument, unless you consider

    However, the esteemed mega-troll SpectateSwamp would have us believe yet drug use seems to have resulted in crazy obsessions and a rather his constant belief that his software may actually be useful to anyone.

  • moz (unregistered) in reply to scoobasteve
    scoobasteve:
    Frost:
    Just to be clear, for the sake of bigots and/or British, races do, in fact, mix here in the USA.

    probably more so in america than anywhere in the world.

    Perhaps, although not so much in rural Louisiana.

  • (cs)

    It's interesting to note that all of the programs showing an insane amount of memory are GTK+ applications (assuming that java is using GTK bindings). Maybe the GTK+ library is doing something funky with mmap.

  • SB (unregistered)

    I'd also like to comment on the race question. I work quite a bit with these types of things at a government-level, so hopefully I can also help clear some things up.

    A woman like Helen Zille, the mayor of Cape Town, South Africa, is a very white-skinned woman.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

    Let's say she moved to the US. Technically, she would be an African-American, but she may consider herself white, which she is.

    The real issue is that this question is NOT a racial question. White is not a race. Caucasian is a race. Brits may be white, French may be white, South Africans may be white but neither of them have to be Caucasian unless their ancestry is of the Caucasus region in Europe.

  • (cs) in reply to iMalc
    iMalc:
    For those of you that are smart enough to stay away from it - The screenshot with the orange logo in the top left corner is from Lotus Notes!

    It's been said (many times) that Lotus Notes is One Huge WTF!

  • Rafael Almeida (unregistered)

    An addition to most people who think the race one is not a WTF: in Brazil, pretty much every form in witch this question is multiple-choiceable, it's asked exactly as this ("CONSIDER yourself to be"), and has the option "Decline to answer". Maybe Tyler should fill out more forms to get used to the conventions?

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to tin

    Well spotted, yes they all came equal first!

    TRWTF is that there are 2 race WTFs today, and I'm finding it hard to tell which one half the comments are referring to.

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to Simetrical

    I strongly suspect that field is intended to be the split time behind the race leader rather than the race position (the race positions are in orange, the car numbers are in grey).

    Considering that it appears they are using integers, the coarsest value they could be using is seconds, thus if they ever have a race where a car is 18.2 hours behind the leader their split time may overflow and either go negative or really, really close to the leader.

    Can you tell i'm bored?

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  • Watson (unregistered) in reply to MetalPig
    MetalPig:
    mr Doornobs is in third place (and driving car no. 14).
    Doornbos. Yes, I'm betting he gets that a lot, too. (I read it as "Doornobs" at first as well, and figured it was just what the player had chosen. Oh, wait: how many IndyCar games bother simulating rainspatter?)
  • (cs) in reply to Eternal Density

    The newspaper article looks like a ColdFusion error ...

    When you use <cfoutput> inside a <cfoutput query=""> the ColdFusion creates such multiplications ...

  • Rhialto (unregistered) in reply to SB
    SB:
    The real issue is that this question is NOT a racial question. White is not a race. Caucasian is a race. Brits may be white, French may be white, South Africans may be white but neither of them have to be Caucasian unless their ancestry is of the Caucasus region in Europe.
    And do you know how far away it is? It's in the former Soviet Union ffs! And how different the people who live there look from what is generally called "caucasion". Here in Europe I don't think that word is seriously used, at least I never heard it in a serious way.
  • (cs) in reply to NaN

    This is legally true in Australia as well. If you consider yourself to be aboriginal, and the community accepts you, then you are legally aboriginal.

  • Plain silly (unregistered) in reply to SB
    SB:
    I'd also like to comment on the race question. I work quite a bit with these types of things at a government-level, so hopefully I can also help clear some things up.

    A woman like Helen Zille, the mayor of Cape Town, South Africa, is a very white-skinned woman.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

    Let's say she moved to the US. Technically, she would be an African-American, but she may consider herself white, which she is.

    The real issue is that this question is NOT a racial question. White is not a race. Caucasian is a race. Brits may be white, French may be white, South Africans may be white but neither of them have to be Caucasian unless their ancestry is of the Caucasus region in Europe.

    If you say that white is not a race and that Caucasian must be used because "white people" originated as race from the Caucasus region, then why on earth do you refer to "black people" with African-American‽ By that definition, they certainly would be called just African.

    Political correctness can go to far and lead to really stupid situations like how to define race. Just be honest and refer to actual colour of the skin - it can not be an insult to point out what you can see!

  • German B. (unregistered)

    The white counterpart to "African American" should be "European American". It would be just as WTFy.

  • Mark (unregistered)

    I assume that's a 64bit OS as it's recognized all that ram :-P Try Vista on it and it would only show up 3.5Gb!

  • AndyC (unregistered) in reply to Mark

    In the UK, at least, you are entitled to answer whatever you like to the race question. Since it can only be used for Equal Opportunities statistics there is no right or wrong answer. It is what you "consider" yourself that counts, hence the wording.

  • captainlogicalfallacy (unregistered) in reply to Frost
    Frost:
    Aside: last year, when some major news media was reporting on a story involving some Black people in Europe (I don't remember the details beyond that) the reporter called them "African-American" instead of Black.

    I can beat that. I had a professor for Intro to Psych refer to black Africans as African-American.

    My attendance dropped to zero after that day.

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