• (cs) in reply to Bradley
    Bradley:
    I don't get it, what was on the back of the resume to make him change his attitude?

    The real front.

  • dolor (unregistered) in reply to Born Texas Proud
    Born Texas Proud:
    Kris:
    I've done the whole "list only relevant jobs" thing, only to be asked if I was in jail/psychiatric treatment/unemployed in those "missing years". Now it lists every single meaningless job, simply as employer/function/period one-liners.
    From you're name, I'm guessing you're female. The interviewer was probably trying to determine whether you made your income from stripping and/or pornography...and it might not have been detrimental to you getting a job.
    Kris Kristofferson. My gut says you've never even visited Texas.
  • eVil (unregistered)

    Which is why you list your experience in reverse chronological order, obviously.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    Are you fucking kidding me? I make a valid comment. Others agree with it. Yet you delete it anyway. What kind of fucking insanity motivates TDWTF editors?

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    FYI, your article was piss-poor, so delete all of the comments that are questioning what the real WTF is. The way you wrote it left very little clue who was actually having the problem.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    London is a global city.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    Editors mudify my cumments to look like an imbecile.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to Arkady

    I think 2 sides is typical length for a good resume in the US, generally if provided as hard copy they are printed single sided though... At any rate this is probably the least WTF dailywtf I've ever read.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    I thought you were better than this, Mike. Remy is the one I really have a problem with.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    I thought you were better than this, Mike. Remy is the one I really have a problem with.
    With his gay unicorns and his asinine HTML comments.
  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    My guess is that the editors either don't have coding jobs or have low confidence about their own code but have no way to make it better.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    I would love to know why you delete my comments, but Zunesis' comments were allowed to stay. Maybe I'll pursue legal action because of some of the things that he wrote.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    Maybe Anonymous would like to hear the story of TDWTF censoring sane TDWTF comments.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    I'm all for deleting the idiotic "frist" comments, but what's your beef with comments that actually contain content.

    (Regular users are going to have to use their imagination, since my posts are routinely deleted without recourse. This time, a couple of people posted comments agreeing with me, and their responses were deleted too.)

  • (cs) in reply to biziclop
    biziclop:
    The real WTF is that without the comments most people (myself included) don't get the story.

    How do rageface.jpg and oh-ok.jpg help you get the story?

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    biziclop:
    The real WTF is that without the comments most people (myself included) don't get the story.

    How do rageface.jpg and oh-ok.jpg help you get the story?

    They don't. The low quality of this article, along with most of them is quite evident.
  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    biziclop:
    The real WTF is that without the comments most people (myself included) don't get the story.

    How do rageface.jpg and oh-ok.jpg help you get the story?

    I'm posting one-line comments because THE MAN has decided that some valid comments should not be displayed.
  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    THE MAN has decided that comments should not be displayed based on his own criteria. It does not apply to reason.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    So, I will post mini-comments, since my regular comments might set off certain alarms that I have no way to know of behorehand.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)
    Mark Bowytz:
    Stop spamming the forums with you're inane comments.
    Some would call it spamming. I would call it pissing on your f***ed up moderating policies.
  • Anonymouse (unregistered)

    Am I the only one that thinks "the MD" was having a bad gas attack and silently let one rip? I kept expecting the guy to refer to a horrid stench as he left the room or something, thus explaining "the MD"'s embarrassment.

  • frits (unregistered) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    Mark Bowytz:
    Stop spamming the forums with you're inane comments.
    Some would call it spamming. I would call it pissing on your f***ed up moderating policies.
    Are you new here?
  • (cs) in reply to foo
    foo:
    justanotheradmin:
    Anonymous Bob:
    What's a "CV"? I've heard of a resume, but not a "CV". Is that a British thing?

    Curriculum Vitae. Latin.

    In contrast to resume which is French.
    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.

  • (cs)

    This article wasn't that good only as it isn't that WTF'y, but it does expand discussion about the purpose of the CV and the interview:

    1. Differences between UK CV culture and US resume culture as to what you do and do not include and their length.

    2. Timeline and filling in all the gaps rather than just relevant experience.

    3. Manager interviewing you on something that was on your CV but you didn't think relevant, but felt you had to include anyway to "not leave gaps" or show your diversity.

    They saw and read his relevant experience or they wouldn't have called him in for an interview in the first place.

    The guy responded well to the questions being asked and didn't get agitated and storm out or do anything WTFy whilst being interviewed, then got hired.

  • True Latin Scholar (14-year) (unregistered) in reply to Mason Wheeler
    Mason Wheeler:
    foo:
    justanotheradmin:
    Anonymous Bob:
    What's a "CV"? I've heard of a resume, but not a "CV". Is that a British thing?

    Curriculum Vitae. Latin.

    In contrast to resume which is French.
    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
    Your Latin reminds me of the trash they put out in the 19th century, where writers thought they were speaking Latin because inept British educators taught them that way. My guess is that you got it from Google™ Translation anyway. ignoramus es.

  • (cs) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    Mark Bowytz:
    Stop spamming the forums with you're inane comments.
    Some would call it spamming. I would call it pissing on your f***ed up moderating policies.

    I would say when you post several comments all in a row that is rather spammy.

    Go vent in the sidebar. Although you have to register to do that.

  • From the atic (unregistered)

    Lesson of the day : Don't put on your CV the experience you don't want to talk about.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered)

    Censorship is great. TDWTF is hosted in the DPRK? Maybe I should change my handle to Kim Jong Fiord.

  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius

    I considered registering before I recognized the true nature of the domain owners. I'm glad I noticed before I gave out my email address. Pity I didn't realize it before giving them my SSN, though.

    Anybody know a good credit agency that'll deal with the bankrupt?

  • (cs) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    I considered registering before I recognized the true nature of the domain owners. I'm glad I noticed before I gave out my email address.

    If you don't like it here, you needn't come. Frankly sir, you're a pain in the bum...

    (that's English slang for ass/butt...)

  • (cs) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    I considered registering before I recognized the true nature of the domain owners. I'm glad I noticed before I gave out my email address.

    It's ok. We track you by your IP. ;-)

  • Doodpants (unregistered) in reply to Arkady
    Arkady:
    In the UK we're told our CV should be approximately two sides - the one sided resumé is an American thing.
    If you follow American politics at all, you'll notice that a lot of communication in America is one-sided.
  • (cs) in reply to Fool
    Fool:
    In the US, we just call it a resume.
    No, we don't. Resumes and CVs are different, and both are used.
  • (cs) in reply to Garrison Fiord
    Garrison Fiord:
    Anybody know a good credit agency that'll deal with the intellectually bankrupt?
    FTFY
  • (cs)

    Interesting discussion.

    I've had one agent tell me to drop off the jobs > 15 years old. The next one tells me to include it; otherwise it'll look like I was unemployed for 15 years after college. Before my current job, I had one manager interview me, and he spent 20 minutes on my first job (nearly 30 years ago) out of school. Finally, I had to tell him that I simply didn't remember the details as the technology is so far out of date that I've completely forgotten it - in order to get him to move on. Although it was offered, I decided to pass on the job because of this manager's obsession with ancient history at the detriment of the present.

    I used to write a very carefully worded and laid out resume. These days, you need to make sure it's formatted for resume scanners. This forces me to keep two versions; one to submit by email, and one to hand someone at an interview. I find it (sometimes) helps.

    One thing I will never do is to customize my resume to put a certain skill in every job to make it look like I'm an expert's expert in technology X because a) it's lying - and I can't lie effectively so I just don't, and b) sometimes you run into a manager who knew the other manager and had a discussion about this "expert" who didn't take the job. You'd be surprised at what people remember.

  • (cs) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    Fool:
    In the US, we just call it a resume.
    No, we don't. Resumes and CVs are different, and both are used.
    I always thought they were the same thing.

    What's the difference?

  • (cs)

    TRWTF: no "Mad Doctor" joke yet

  • (cs) in reply to snoofle
    snoofle:
    Zylon:
    Fool:
    In the US, we just call it a resume.
    No, we don't. Resumes and CVs are different, and both are used.
    I always thought they were the same thing.

    What's the difference?

    http://tinyurl.com/9f69v5a

    And fuck Akismet.

  • Sam I am (unregistered)

    I must say that that is the most boring article I've ever read on this website.

  • Arvind (unregistered)

    Write job experience in reverse chronological order, duh!

  • Shinobu (unregistered) in reply to True Latin Scholar (14-year)

    You missed the point by several milia passuum. Also, grow a sense of humour.

  • User (unregistered) in reply to Pricey
    Pricey:
    This is why people tell you to fit your CV onto a single side of paper...
    Resume? Sure. But CV? My impression was always that the CV was intended to be a thorough accounting and, by it's very nature, probably long.
    CodeMonKey:
    Bradley:
    I don't get it, what was on the back of the resume to make him change his attitude?
    It wasn't blank, for sure. Lessons learned: Print the cv/resume simplex, not duplex.
    Steven may not have been the one to print it. Though I guess your advice applies to anyone who may be printing one. :-)
  • Garrison Fiord (unregistered) in reply to Mark Bowytz
    Mark Bowytz:
    Garrison Fiord:
    I considered registering before I recognized the true nature of the domain owners. I'm glad I noticed before I gave out my email address.

    It's ok. We track you by your IP. ;-)

    Assholes like your ilk is why Tor was invented.

  • True Latin Scholar (unregistered) in reply to Shinobu
    Shinobu:
    You missed the point by several milia passuum. Also, grow a sense of humour.
    I see nothing funny about Latin hacks trying to sound intelligent. Consider me a "Grammer" Nazi of Latin, I suppose. What's with the British spelling and the Japanese handle?
  • True Latin Scholar (unregistered) in reply to PedanticCurmudgeon
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    Garrison Fiord:
    Anybody know a good credit agency that'll deal with the intellectually bankrupt?
    FTFY
    I don't know why Mark even bothered to modify my post with such unoriginal content. Oh, wait. It's Mark. I used to think that was beneath anyone except Remy. Now Alex is the only one who has yet to disappoint me.
  • WarKosign (unregistered) in reply to snoofle
    snoofle:
    Interesting discussion.

    One thing I will never do is to customize my resume to put a certain skill in every job to make it look like I'm an expert's expert in technology X because a) it's lying - and I can't lie effectively so I just don't, and b) sometimes you run into a manager who knew the other manager and had a discussion about this "expert" who didn't take the job. You'd be surprised at what people remember.

    You don't need to make yourself an expert, but if I know where this CV goes and what are the job requirements - I will make sure to highlight whenever possible how the position provided me with the experience needed for the position. It's all perfectly true, just a matter of changing the perspective a little.

    If I don't know where the CV is going, I try to be objective, with maybe a little bit more emphasis on things I'd like to do again.

  • Mighty Captain Kurt (unregistered)

    I just want to stress on something which is usually not clear. Most of the time the interview is not focused (or better not only) on WHAT you know. It is important to understand HOW you think and react.

    That's why two friends of mine, interviewed for the very same job, had to reply to the following questions. The first one, which was married, was told having a family could be a problem since the job was requiring a lot of flexibility. The other, single, was told something like "not having a family could mean you are not mature enough for this kind of work".

    In both cases the questions were out of topic, to say the least, but there was no "right" answer. It is the way you reply which matters. You can reply "that's not related to this job" in a polite way. Or you can stand up and shout "what kind of question is this???".

    Another example: during an interview I was asked to explain why an x-y chart was "like this". I asked questions on the context/constraints/data/... and made hypothesis after hypothesis. The interviewer was saying I was wrong. And was getting bored, than almost angry. At the end he said, "let's stop, you are not going to get the right answer to this question." I was a little sad while he asked me to exit and wait outside. After 5 minutes the interviewer opened the door and said... I did a great job! He was smiling and I knew I had passed the test.

    However, I did not accept the job. He did not pass MY interview... and I got a better job elsewhere. ;-)

    Ps) forgive my English

  • (cs)

    Today's second lesson:

    Put Page 1 at the top of the first page. Put Page 2 at the top of the second page.

    Good ideas: Put your name at the top of Every page. Print your resume one sided, NOT duplex. Always have a copy of your resume available to the interviewer(s) (as well as an extra for yourself).

    For homework: Change the name of your resume file to include your own name, so when you submit it to a company online, via your browser, it won't show up as 'fake work history.doc' or some such.

  • Peach Tree (unregistered)

    I am confused....I've never seen a two-sided resume. Multiple pages, sure, but not two sided - maybe we have more tress in Australia to waste.

    Also, as someone else has mentioned, shouldn't a resume normally be reverse chronological?

    Current Job, previous job, one before that...., education.

  • ben (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous Bob
    What's a "CV"? I've heard of a resume, but not a "CV"

    You're using the Internet right now but you're incapable of finding out? How do you get through your day without injuring yourself?

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