• Garbage (unregistered) in reply to LB
    LB:
    Mogri:
    Anonymous:
    I'm currently taking bets, odds are 4:1 that he's a troll and 2:1 he's a retard.
    I'm not a gambling man either, so I'll put a million on each and pray he's a troll.
    Why? You'd lose 750,000 if you won just that bet and lost the other.

    Apparently, TRWTF is that people don't know the difference between 4:1 (4 back for every one laid) odds and 1:4 (1 back for every four laid).

    A million on each:

    -2 million spent 4 million back from the 4:1 1 million back from the stake of the 4:1 = 3 million profit.

  • (cs) in reply to Garbage
    Garbage:
    LB:
    Mogri:
    Anonymous:
    I'm currently taking bets, odds are 4:1 that he's a troll and 2:1 he's a retard.
    I'm not a gambling man either, so I'll put a million on each and pray he's a troll.
    Why? You'd lose 750,000 if you won just that bet and lost the other.

    Apparently, TRWTF is that people don't know the difference between 4:1 (4 back for every one laid) odds and 1:4 (1 back for every four laid).

    A million on each:

    -2 million spent 4 million back from the 4:1 1 million back from the stake of the 4:1 = 3 million profit.

    no, no, no.

    1. Pretend you are bad at math
    2. make bets with said people
    3. profit!

    wait a minute. That actually works. I gotta go now.

  • ytk (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    Additonally, there is usually very little mechanical action associated with elecronic component failure.

    I once accidentally grounded the base of a PNP transistor with 12V applied across E-C. Suffice it to say, I got a good look at the inside of what was formerly a transistor, and if I hadn't been wearing glasses the flying resin might well have taken out my eye.

    CAPTCHA: "wisi", the way "wifi" is pronounced in Congrefs

  • Iv (unregistered) in reply to Lennart

    Vehicle Key is my bet

  • keith (unregistered)

    Is TRWTF "the project team was too cheap to hire a domain expert"?

  • (cs) in reply to English Man
    English Man:
    I for one congratulate Alex for the excellent job of proof-reading this article! Best I've seen so far!
    I second that. And the I was not left unfullfilled at the end (although you could predict the ending).
  • plasmab (unregistered)

    TRWTF is that i expect a WTF from this site....

    This isnt even close to being a WTF

  • (cs) in reply to TimB
    TimB:
    After reading this, my mind is made up. I want a Journey tribute band with a Japanese lead singer at my funeral.

    Would you settle for a Filipino lead singer, with the added bonus the back up band is the real Journey?

  • BenHead (unregistered)

    So, with millions of dollars at stake, you don't HIRE AN AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEER??

    Actually, sounds like the sort of thing that goes on at my company. As you were.

  • TimB (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:

    Would you settle for a Filipino lead singer, with the added bonus the back up band is the real Journey?

    Last time I settled for a Filipino, I got a shock as 'she' got undressed. Of course, I'd already paid by then....

  • Mike (unregistered) in reply to TimB
    TimB:
    frits:

    Would you settle for a Filipino lead singer, with the added bonus the back up band is the real Journey?

    Last time I settled for a Filipino, I got a shock as 'she' got undressed. Of course, I'd already paid by then....

    So obviously you had to see it through - you're not one to waste perfectly good money. Yep, I've heard the "I'd already paid!" excuse plenty of times before.

  • LB (unregistered) in reply to Anonimoose
    Anonimoose:
    LB:
    Mogri:
    Anonymous:
    I'm currently taking bets, odds are 4:1 that he's a troll and 2:1 he's a retard.
    I'm not a gambling man either, so I'll put a million on each and pray he's a troll.
    Why? You'd lose 750,000 if you won just that bet and lost the other.
    Actually, he would lose 1.75 mil. He'd put up 2 mil to place both bets, then get 0.25 mil back for winning the troll bet.
    He'd lose the million he put up on the retard bet, but he'd keep the million he put up on the troll bet as well as getting his quarter million in winnings. You don't lose money by winning a bet just because you bet the favorite.
    Anonimoose:
    However, I don't quite understand the conditions being bet on though. Given the situation, I would take the bet to be troll vs retard. But then you would just have one set of odds, ie. 2:1 for troll:retard. He has 4:1 for troll vs what? and 2:1 for retard vs what?

    It could be troll vs !troll and retard vs !retard, but the tone of the post seemed to indicate that Matt is definately either a troll or a retard. Is the :1 in both cases for Matt being a legitimate poster? If so, then the odds could have just been simplified to 4:1:2 for troll:legit:retard. This would indicate that the post gives a 14.3% chance of Matt being legit, which (as stated above) conflicts with the tone of the post that Matt must be either a troll or a retard.

    I interpreted it as troll vs !troll and retard vs !retard. So it would be possible for him to be both or neither.

  • LB (unregistered) in reply to Garbage
    Garbage:
    LB:
    Mogri:
    Anonymous:
    I'm currently taking bets, odds are 4:1 that he's a troll and 2:1 he's a retard.
    I'm not a gambling man either, so I'll put a million on each and pray he's a troll.
    Why? You'd lose 750,000 if you won just that bet and lost the other.
    Apparently, TRWTF is that people don't know the difference between 4:1 (4 back for every one laid) odds and 1:4 (1 back for every four laid).

    A million on each:

    -2 million spent 4 million back from the 4:1 1 million back from the stake of the 4:1 = 3 million profit.

    No. "4:1 that he's a troll" indicates that "he's a troll" is the favorite. Your winnings would be 1/4 of your stake if you bet the favorite and won, or 4 times your stake if you bet against the favorite and won. If it had said "4:1 against him being a troll", then your numbers would be correct.

  • (cs) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    TimB:
    frits:

    Would you settle for a Filipino lead singer, with the added bonus the back up band is the real Journey?

    Last time I settled for a Filipino, I got a shock as 'she' got undressed. Of course, I'd already paid by then....

    So obviously you had to see it through - you're not one to waste perfectly good money. Yep, I've heard the "I'd already paid!" excuse plenty of times before.

    You know the old saying: "What happens in Zambales, stays in Zambales."

  • LB (unregistered) in reply to Mark
    Mark:
    I suspect he's talking about the transcription of the Japanese accent; accents are not really "cultural differences".

    In this instance, it doesn't add any information beyond having already said that the man spoke with a Japanese accent. Stylistically it fails to recognize that the written form of language normally represents words, not sounds.

    Now, if the accent had led to some miscommunication, then I'd think otherwise, as a textual representation of the accented/distored words would be a concise way to convey both what was said and what was heard. But that's not the case here.

    So the only function the l/r flips serve in this text would seem to be humor value. The thing is, laughing at someone's accent actually is somewhere between immature and mildly racist.

    In some cases, transcribing an accent in writing might give the impression of laughing at the accent, but in this story the fact that there was a language barrier was a significant part of the story. The problems would presumably never have come up in the first place if Christophe and his team had been able to readily understand what the customer had been telling them previously. It would sound strange if they had so much trouble understanding him during the planning and requirements gathering phase, but then during the final test he suddenly speaks in perfectly clear English.

    I don't think it qualifies as racist to point out that when people from different countries with different native languages try to deal with each other it can lead to language barriers. That's really all that the flipped l and r is doing here.

  • Grundle (unregistered)

    Crick mouse and car brow up!

  • Chopper Dave (unregistered)

    Dear Everyone,

    In case you can’t tell, this is a grown-up place. The fact that you insist on fighting about whether or not companies employ sound engineers, and other stupid crap clearly shows that you’re too anal and too boring to be using oxygen.

    Go away and grow up.

    Sincerely, Chopper Dave /CAPTCHA: "genitus" -- You've got the genitus, on your breath.

  • eb (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    ときは、12Vのスイッチを入れる、車が起動するが表示されます
    tentacle raping penis whire barrs being fried?? humor porn !!!
  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to Anonymously Yours
    Anonymously Yours:
    I'm surprised Christophe is getting so much flak over freaking out. It's one thing to listen to the sound of a car running when there's white noise in the background from distant traffic and sound dampening engineering between you and the machine. It's quite different when you fire them up, unshielded audibly, inside a quiet office building in the dead of night.

    I want to emphasize the "quiet office building in the dead of night" thing. There have been times when I'm focusing hard on something, and it's very quiet, when suddenly I get a text message or do something which offends my Unix session, and the computer produces it's usual "dink!" sound. Normally, it's just one of those usual sounds, but late at night, it has occasionally made me jump quite a bit.

    If the standard "dink!" sound can make me jump, late at night, how much more so one of these massive test units, with real honest-to-gosh working components?

  • Chubber (unregistered) in reply to Lennart
    Lennart:
    Duh, Virtual Key.

    I would have said "Voltage(Key)".

  • Cyberwizzard (unregistered)

    This must be the best WTF in ages :)

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymously Yours
    Anonymously Yours:
    Silverhill:
    Anonymously Yours:
    ...sound dampening engineering...
    This is for making moist (damp) sounds, eh? [Insert sexual innuendo of your choice here.]

    "Dampen" is certainly a verb, but so is "damp" -- to reduce the magnitude of (a vibration, e.g.). Very commonly misused, unfortunately.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dampen

    1. to dull or deaden; depress
    Yes, but that definition is more figurative, derived from the quelling effect of dampness on something hot, such as fire.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/damp has, among the transitive-verb meanings: "11. Physics. to cause a decrease in amplitude of (successive oscillations or waves)" ...although there is still some (needless) crossover with "dampen" given, even there.

  • Mr. Bob (unregistered)

    I was expecting them to open the enclosure and find a '78 Fiat inside--you know, simulating a car.

  • (cs)

    Another RWTF of the story is never asking the client the actual functions of the KV signal (or any of the signals that did not seem to be aligned to anything). Those are the gotchas waiting to jump right at you, and it's better to actually have the client clarify those...

    ... but then again, who knows, maybe those got lost in translation :P

  • longtime lurker (unregistered) in reply to Flied Lice

    spark plugs giving off ozone?

  • oheso (unregistered) in reply to Steve H
    Steve H:
    What's up with you guys today? It's like special school in here.

    LOTFR!!

    Some of us have just enough Japanese street-cred to sit back and do nothing more than grimace when the amateurs flub it. Steve H, my applause.

  • oheso (unregistered) in reply to Just another commenter
    Just another commenter:
    I think part of the problem with the discussion is that people

    ... are bloody idiots.

  • oheso (unregistered) in reply to &nbsp
     :
    やっぱり、外人へのアウトソーシングはだめな～

    sooooo da na ....

  • (cs) in reply to 3rd Ferguson
    3rd Ferguson:
    Bob:
    brazzy:
    schmitter:
    I can see this. Most car parts make some sort of noise that seems out of place when you eliminate the actual engine running noise.

    Don't believe for a second that the sound of a running car is simply whatever happens to be the sum of all the noises the individual parts make.

    Car makers have "sound engineers" whose job it is to use all allavailable tricks (adding parts, modifying shapes, changing materials, etc.) to ensure that the end result sound smooth, reassuring and/or macho.

    You sir, are an idiot.

    Well, that or someone who has no experience at all with engineering. To a person like you, the world is a magical place that operates according to changing principles that a select few magicians understand. Yes, engine noise is the sum of the noises of the individual parts. Engineers care very little about the sound of the car: that is caused by explosions. If they could completely eliminate engine noise, they would. They can't, but they suppress it as much as possible.

    Harley-Davidson trademarked the sound of their bikes.

    I love it when someone vociferously and angrily calls someone out and is totally wrong-headed themselves. What does schadenfruede sound like?

    /CAPTCHA: "persto" -- "persto chagne-o!"

    It sounds like Schadenfrüde

  • (cs) in reply to longtime lurker
    longtime lurker:
    spark plugs giving off ozone?

    No. But the sparks interacting with the oxygen in the air, they do.

  • Misanthrope (unregistered)

    This story is phenomenal. This thread is not.

  • (cs) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    They're waiting for you, Gordon - in the test machine.

    YES!!

  • jeremy (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    ...announcing your arrival by having your vehicle make as loud a noise as possible.

    In my experience they make more noise departing.

    Kind of like farting just as you're stepping out of the elevator.

    Which is adolescent, and, as such, a whole lot of fun.

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    The lesson here is pulling all nighters clouds judgement. When electronic circuits fail, they usually release a puff of smoke (and maybe sparks and flames) and then stop working. The fact that the test machine continued doing stuff should have been a clue that things were working. Did he even check if dummy lights had turned off? Because that should have been his primary test criteria.

    Yes, you should always wait until the building burns down before you try to turn off a machine that appears to be malfunctioning. How can you KNOW that a malfunction is dangerous until you actually perform the experiment and see that at least 3 people were killed?

  • (cs) in reply to @Deprecated
    @Deprecated:
    So the WTF was that the WTF was not a WTF at all? And how do you relocate a room? In less than 30 minutes?
    That's why they did it nervously.
  • (cs)

    "Before Christophe could even think of grabbing the mouse out of his hand and pushing him to the side, the client clicked on the value, changed 0 to a 12, and clicked appry."

    FTFY.

  • (cs) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    frits:
    The lesson here is pulling all nighters clouds judgement. When electronic circuits fail, they usually release a puff of smoke (and maybe sparks and flames) and then stop working. The fact that the test machine continued doing stuff should have been a clue that things were working. Did he even check if dummy lights had turned off? Because that should have been his primary test criteria.

    Yes, you should always wait until the building burns down before you try to turn off a machine that appears to be malfunctioning. How can you KNOW that a malfunction is dangerous until you actually perform the experiment and see that at least 3 people were killed?

    Strawman. ^^^

  • Ouch! (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    Jay:
    Yes, you should always wait until the building burns down before you try to turn off a machine that appears to be malfunctioning. How can you KNOW that a malfunction is dangerous until you actually perform the experiment and see that at least 3 people were killed?

    Strawman. ^^^

    Which explains why he's really afraid of fire.
  • Jim Danby (unregistered) in reply to TheJasper
    TheJasper:
    Jim Danby:

    Never bright to call someone an idiot when you aren't an expert. There are indeed engineers that help to make the sounds more appropriate to the design of the car. They don't necessarily want to remove engine noise altogether. Maybe in your luxury saloon, but not in a sports, super or hyper car.

    Actually, from a certain point of view, the noise the engine makes could be seen as wasted energy. So from that point of view you do want to remove it. (of course, I am so much not an expert I'll jump the gun and call myself an idiot right now)

    However, electric cars make so little noise they are actually making them simulate engine noise. Apparently its considered a cheat hitting pedestrians without giving them fair warning.

    The really depends upon your point of view. I'm lucky enough to drive a sporty car that has a great engine note. If you asked me if I wanted to save that enegery by making it quieter and as a result get better mileage, I would say "No thanks".

  • Jim Danby (unregistered) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    Anonymous:
    Matt Westwood:
    You appear to be one of those cases of arrested adolescence who believe that your masculinity is confirmed by announcing your arrival by having your vehicle make as loud a noise as possible. Excessive noise pollution is a crime in most civilised areas of the world.
    Steve:
    Are you for real?
    PeriSoft:
    Are you for real?
    Beautiful! Well it's been said before but - are you for real Matt Westwood? Because if that wasn't a troll it was a fucking retarded thing to say. I'm currently taking bets, odds are 4:1 that he's a troll and 2:1 he's a retard.
    I'm not really a gambling man but what the hell, I'll put $50 on retard. Should be the easiest 100 bucks I ever made.

    What odds on retarded troll?

  • WiredEarp (unregistered) in reply to 3rd Ferguson

    Dont ya know? Bob's a dick who always makes idiot comments of that type. He thinks hes being funny/clever/amusing, but really, hes just a bit of a fool.

  • AnotherContractor (unregistered) in reply to Bob

    Actually, brazzy is correct. One example I recall is Toyota having the car stereo emit anti-noise generated by a microphone in the engine compartment in order to create a quieter ride. Other car makers alter the ramp-up, timing, and duration of the fuel-injector pulses to make them quieter.

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  • Mordred (unregistered)

    What the tester needed was a little Red Neck in him. Had he been a Red Neck, he'd just let the thing go to see what would happen. I bet two Coon Dogs that testers a damn Yankee.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to H.P. Lovecraft
    Hell, I've seen large caps spontaneously combust and start fires all on their own.

    OMG thanks for the tip - I'll remember not to tick that option in the font dialog.

  • Oakes (unregistered) in reply to Flied Lice

    Spark plugs firing.

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