• (cs) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    POS = Piece Of

    Enough Said

    Wouldn't that be POES, then ?

  • (cs) in reply to KenW
    KenW:
    Bill Lumbergh:
    I don't know where you are located but tax computation can be complicated. We have federal, state and sometimes a combination city and county taxes.

    Great! That's terrific information, if you happen to be running a large retail establishment that sells a vast assortment of different items.

    However, we're talking a fast food restaurant here. They sell quick-service food, all of which is taxable (or not, depending on your locale). There's no difference in the tax being charged for onion rings and the tax on a burger. And I, at least, know that the tax being used on fast food purchases in my area is 8.5%. (I also know that only 4% of that is state tax, and that the rest is county and local taxes, but who cares? My burger and fries and soft drink are taxed at 8.5% of the total purchase.)

    The people who work in a fast food restaurant that aren't capable of figuring out taxes on the order manually are the same ones who see me every single day, five days a week, when I stop at the same place for coffee and a bagel and yet can't remember from one day to the next that I like my coffee black and my bagel with butter on the side. They're morons who shouldn't be working anywhere outside a landfill or cleaning a toilet.

    But they do ... that'll be their first and second jobs. After that they work in the food service industry.

  • anonymous workaholic (unregistered) in reply to cklam
    But they do ... that'll be their first and second jobs. After that they work in the food service industry.

    Sometimes they even wash their hands in between. If you're lucky.

  • (cs) in reply to davel
    davel:
    "Oh, don't pay any attention to what's on the sign; what's in the register is right!" Uh, no.
    Nonsense. If you'd been to any business seminar anywhere, you would have learned the fast-food business mantra: "The register is always right."
  • (cs) in reply to cklam
    cklam:
    m0ffx:
    POS = Piece Of

    Enough Said

    Wouldn't that be POES, then ?
    Don't listen to him. He's a POESer.

  • (cs) in reply to KenW
    KenW:
    The people who work in a fast food restaurant that aren't capable of figuring out taxes on the order manually are the same ones who see me every single day, five days a week, when I stop at the same place for coffee and a bagel and yet can't remember from one day to the next that I like my coffee black and my bagel with butter on the side. They're morons who shouldn't be working anywhere outside a landfill or cleaning a toilet.
    Let us not forget that this is a technology site, not a site for making ill-informed and offensive assumptions about the intellectual status of your friends and neighbours. There is a small but not insignificant possibility that they forget your preferences, not because of any mental deficiency on their part, but simply because they don't think you're a nice enough person to bother with.

    Besides, with Alex' post on Friday, this is now officially a fast-food site.

    Go bagels and herbal tea! I'm sorry, wasn't that what you ordered yesterday?

  • John (unregistered) in reply to dkf

    I went to a gentleman's outfitters less than a year ago which hand-wrote receipts.

    I think it's a deliberate choice by the less mass-market places.

  • Rather miso than ramen (unregistered) in reply to Tom_fan_63
    Tom_fan_63:
    DZ-Jay:
    Your both wright! I red all that somewere to. 
    -dZ.</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Come one, lets stop this noonsense!

    Why cunt you just shut you're mouse? Its nun of you're business Annie Way, you crammer Nutsy.

  • (cs)

    I've been put in the position by an employer of performing rush jobs with no testing and deploying it before. It's needlessly stressful and it almost always ends up going to the dogs. As I've grown older and wiser I've learned how to assert my opinion that it's a terrible idea to undertake such changes, and waive responsibility if it goes balls up.

    In Mike's position I'd have either just rejected making the changes, or charged a higher rate, and warned the manager in no uncertain terms what might happen if ad-hoc changes were made with no client testing whatsoever. The discount definitely wasn't on IMO, but he backed himself in to a corner when agreeing to the changes (seemingly) without alerting his client to the potential consequences.

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to vt_mruhlin
    vt_mruhlin:
    Mike realized he had to do something drastic; something he hoped he'd never have to do. He shut down every register in all 120 Chotchkie's locations, leaving hundreds of employees with nothing to do, and turning away thousands of hungry customers.

    God forbid the employees should have to add up a total and calculate tax by hand.

    Could be that this is a union worker's job and they are not authorized to do so.

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    Andrew:
    "...lead towards disasterous consequences.."
    • past tense of LEAD is LED
    • DISASTROUS : you can catch that one with a spellchecker.

    grrrrrrrrr

    But the past tense of READ is READ.

    English is a Crazy language

    Addendum (2008-05-15 13:46): And please tell me the meaning of WIND Is it a noun referring to "the breeze"? Or is it a verb denoting the process used to energize a clock?

    That's air trapped inside you. When it comes out it often makes this "windy" sound pfffffffffffffffff

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to AC
    AC:
    ounos:
    Andrew:
    - past tense of LEAD is LED
    I seem to have red this somewhere else too.

    You're write, I've seen it somewhere too.

    Witch one?

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to pitchingchris
    pitchingchris:
    Timo:
    Amurrican sales tax system is kind of a WTF?

    Well, what you describe is not a tax issue but a standards issue. The price you see at the gas pump has the tax already precalculated. In the resturant industry, it is usually not. However, this is not due to an improper tax regulation but due to other issues. For example, if you have a major chain resturant that has the same menu pretty much all over the US, they don't print separate prices on every menu. Some cities actually have a "Resturant" tax that it uses to fund special projects such as youth parks, etc. So accounting for all the state, local, and federal taxes would make for a specific menu by resturant. Besides, it gives them incentive to leave the tax off because it looks cheaper.

    I must say I see that as fraud. I, as a customer (a non-commercial usually), have to figure out myself what the final price will be according to state, region, city... So my bill would actually not be say $100 but

    $100 Actual meal $15 tip $20 VAT $5 WTF

    which is substantially more than the price I am told by the price list. Around Europe, what you see (the price) is what you pay. Period. All the rest is fraud. You cannot expect from your customers to know the difference of an entire bagel compared to a sliced one. But you can charge for actually slicing it. Has to be indicated, though, how much that is.

    CAPTCHA: facilisis, sounds facile but is not

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to rast
    rast:
    Joe:
    Bill Lumbergh:
    I doubt most people are aware the burden our tax system puts on commerce.

    Some of us are: [image]

    Cool, now we can burden poor people instead.

    (this is not meant as a defense of the current fucked up tax system)

    Every tax system is fucked up. When I think that you can have double and triple (maybe more?) taxation. Like in Germany, there is a vinager tax. So when you buy a vinaigrette you pay both. And since VAT is always applied at the end you pay Value Added Tax for the amount of vinager tax. Great no? They see the tax as added value and make you pay VAT for if, too.

  • Rhialto (unregistered) in reply to vt_mruhlin
    vt_mruhlin:
    God forbid the employees should have to add up a total and calculate tax by hand.
    The real WTF is that the tax is not included in the price.
  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to Bill Lumbergh
    Bill Lumbergh:
    I worked at a large commercial pastry shop and we had two production lines that made donuts. One line extruded donuts from batter as you described. The other line used dough that was rolled out and then a roller with a donut cutting pattern was rolled over it. Indeed we did have actual donut holes.

    Did you also sell them (the holes)? And how much tax was applied?

  • (cs)

    Oh the fun. While it is true that you can keep track of sales w/o the system, I've seen plenty of stores/services that refuse to "go manual", it seems to stem from corporate policies that distrust manual operations.

    That said, at least here in Mexico, the common cash register guy knows math. In fact, common practice here is:

    Girl: That'll be $42 Me: takes out a $50 peso bill Girl: Do you have the $2 pesos? Me: Sure. takes out a $2 coin I hand over $52 Girl: Ok, your change is $10 Girl hands over a $10 peso coin.

    I've been doing it for so long its automatic. We usually get giggles when we go to the US and trying to do something like that will confuse them. Oops!

  • Arie Kanarie (unregistered)
    Two days before the special started, Mike received a panicked call from the client, begging him to rush a change.

    I see this happen all the time. Clients' been busy planning stuff related to his business months ahead of time, got everything set up and just before he lays back in a comfy chair usually a day before advertisements are published, the thought of " oh wait... did i forget to inform IT about this? Oh well, ill give em a call and they'll just do their stuff.

    I wouldnt say i encounter this on a daily bases but it does happen really frequent. Storemanagers manage their stores, thats all they do.

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered) in reply to Finanzminister
    Finanzminister:
    KenW:
    However, we're talking a fast food restaurant here. They sell quick-service food, all of which is taxable (or not, depending on your locale). There's no difference in the tax being charged for onion rings and the tax on a burger.
    In Germany, even a fast food restaurant can be more complicated than that. Apparently the tax rate varies depending on whether you eat the food right there or take it out with you. (Yes, in either case the tax rate on the onion rings would probably be the same as the tax rate on the burger.)

    I'm not sure about that. In Germany it would be nearly impossible to sell the food for the same price but with different tax rates. Would be close to fraud. In Italy it is quite common to have two different prices depending if you have your coffee, f.e., at the counter or at the table.

  • Racer X (unregistered)

    This would never happen at a Flingers

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Erik

    This is a prime example of the old adage: "If you want it bad, you'll get it bad."

  • iusto (unregistered) in reply to Timo

    Here in the US (btw I noted your clever spelling of America, it was a real riot and I'll be sure to invite you to my next party or whatever) retailers can include tax in their prices if they choose. Often they choose not to since it makes the price look lower, and it's just what people are accustomed to.

  • GuardBoy (unregistered)

    Heaven forbid the wait staff get out a calculator and pencil!

  • AP (unregistered) in reply to Erik

    The unibomber would have a field day with this one. Jeez, a restaurant can't serve food because the POS POS is down?

  • Dan (unregistered)

    Why the hell didn't they just use a pen and paper or a freakin calculator!? Would our country just stop doing business all together if our cash registers failed?

  • (cs) in reply to El Fredo
    El Fredo:
    snoofle:
    What do you figure the odds are that if this restaurant has automatic door openers, that if the software glitched out, that the employees would be "trapped" inside rather than simly push the door open?
    <insert Idiocracy quotes here>

    True now more than ever.

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