• boog (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    boog:
    Um... I can't speak for Maurits, but to me "grab" has a number of definitions, most of which are summed up on Wordnet. I'm really not sure what you're implying when you say nothing "seems to fit".
    What I think he's implying is either your usage of "grab" is way too wide, or common usage of the word is much more narrow. Either way, you're trying to fit a half-dollar in a dime slot.
    Grab means "to seize" or "to fetch" (common usage). Obviously this is the meaning that galgorah intended.

    Grab also means "to grasp" or "to clutch" (also common usage), which is the meaning I was purposely imposing while completely aware that it wasn't what galgorah intended. In that context, it is rarely appropriate to grab a lady.

    So are we just being super serious, or did we wake up on the slightly more pedantic side of the bed this morning?

  • justsomedude (unregistered) in reply to cm guy
    cm guy:
    Why would you develop anything in VB? Only one reason; not being given any choice in the matter...

    This.

  • bd (unregistered)

    So no blue comment for the emacs plugin....

  • Knock it off (unregistered) in reply to boog
    boog:
    frits:
    I'm a friggin' idiot.
    So am I, only slightly more so.
    You can say that again.
  • frits (cs) in reply to boog
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:
    Um... I can't speak for Maurits, but to me "grab" has a number of definitions, most of which are summed up on Wordnet. I'm really not sure what you're implying when you say nothing "seems to fit".
    What I think he's implying is either your usage of "grab" is way too wide, or common usage of the word is much more narrow. Either way, you're trying to fit a half-dollar in a dime slot.
    Grab means "to seize" or "to fetch" (common usage). Obviously this is the meaning that galgorah intended.

    Grab also means "to grasp" or "to clutch" (also common usage), which is the meaning I was purposely imposing while completely aware that it wasn't what galgorah intended. In that context, it is rarely appropriate to grab a lady.

    So are we just being super serious, or did we wake up on the slightly more pedantic side of the bed this morning?

    Don't you recognize innuendo when you see it?

  • boog (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:
    Um... I can't speak for Maurits, but to me "grab" has a number of definitions, most of which are summed up on Wordnet. I'm really not sure what you're implying when you say nothing "seems to fit".
    What I think he's implying is either your usage of "grab" is way too wide, or common usage of the word is much more narrow. Either way, you're trying to fit a half-dollar in a dime slot.
    Grab means "to seize" or "to fetch" (common usage). Obviously this is the meaning that galgorah intended.

    Grab also means "to grasp" or "to clutch" (also common usage), which is the meaning I was purposely imposing while completely aware that it wasn't what galgorah intended. In that context, it is rarely appropriate to grab a lady.

    So are we just being super serious, or did we wake up on the slightly more pedantic side of the bed this morning?

    Don't you recognize innuendo when you see it?

    I... damn.

    You win this round.

  • Alan McMorran (cs) in reply to The Enterpriser
    The Enterpriser:
    inamongst?

    Oops, forgot the space between "in" and "amongst"... was just quickly typing some text in to show how the plugin works... didn't realise this thread would become so obsessed with spelling and grammar or I'd have been more careful :-)

  • Herby (unregistered)

    While this is a wonderful plug-in, I suspect that for some languages, the functionality of "submitting to TDWTF" should be combined with the "save" function to simplify matters.

    It seems to me that this would be a great time saver. In some cases (Paula Bean comes to mind), ANY save in ANY language might qualify.

    Still another addition would be to take an online test to determine if the user is qualified to separate the functions.

    The drawback to this is that TDWTF would be swamped with VERY GOOD submissions. Oh well, live and learn!

  • Emacs ahoy (unregistered) in reply to bd
    bd:
    So no blue comment for the emacs plugin....

    The only people who use emacs are those stuck in a timewarp who are convinced that, in the last 25 years of human progress, not a single improvement has been made in programming environments, and character based editors are still the cream of the crop. So it's okay to ostracise them.

  • wtf (unregistered) in reply to Emacs ahoy
    Emacs ahoy:
    bd:
    So no blue comment for the emacs plugin....

    The only people who use emacs are those stuck in a timewarp who are convinced that, in the last 25 years of human progress, not a single improvement has been made in programming environments, and character based editors are still the cream of the crop. So it's okay to ostracise them.

    I'm not a big emacs user - I think it would help if I were part octopus - but I prefer to do my editing in vi, not because I'm somehow opposed to progress but because I find that I work best when I can do everything from the keyboard, and that's vi. The mouse is a lovely device if you don't know how to find your way around a program, but I find it slows me down and breaks my train of thought. So, vi - the command set is easy enough to learn, and it's actually not that hard to get used to breaking into the ed stuff - easier than keeping emacs from breaking out into a spontaneous musical version of the gnu manifesto or some other weird and unnecessary behavior.

    Oh, sorry, were you trying to be clever and snide? Sorry, dude. Try this:

    Yeah, man, those emacs kids are sure dumb. Dumb as rocks - they use stuff that's old. Like C and stuff. Think they're smart with all their knowing stuff and stuff. Heh, what losers.

    Better?

  • great prophet of emacs (unregistered) in reply to Emacs ahoy
    Emacs ahoy:
    bd:
    So no blue comment for the emacs plugin....

    The only people who use emacs are those stuck in a timewarp who are convinced that, in the last 25 years of human progress, not a single improvement has been made in programming environments

    No, there have been plenty of improvements in emacs.

    and character based editors are still the cream of the crop

    Your editor is still character based, it just has useless glitz and can't run over SSH.

    So it's okay to ostracise them.

    As soon as you catch up. About 18 years ago, when vi was released, we implemented an M-x command to ostracize the unbelievers. Haven't really bothered updating it to handle the GUI kids, we'll wait until Visual Studio grows up and gets a better scripting language than VBScript.

    CAPTCHA: dignissim: if you're a Visual Studio user and sold your dignity for a MSDN Super-Platinum subscription, you can get simulated dignity for only 299.95!

  • blackd (cs) in reply to Emacs ahoy

    You know what I am a resent convert to emacs about 2 mouths. I used to use IDEA and Eclipse...

    Believe me when I say, I'll never look back.

    As for the 25 years. Just think will Visual Studio or Eclipse be here in 25 years without the corporate money?

    p.s. Yes I do use emacs for java.

  • Emacs ahoy (unregistered) in reply to great prophet of emacs
    great prophet of emacs:
    No, there have been plenty of improvements in emacs.
    I didn't state otherwise, just that improving emacs is a bit like improving the horse-and-cart when we're practically a shoo-in to have flying cars in a few years.
    great prophet of emacs:
    Your editor is still character based, it just has useless glitz and can't run over SSH.
    That's not what I meant and I think you know that.
    great prophet of emacs:
    As soon as you catch up. About 18 years ago, when vi was released, we implemented an M-x command to ostracize the unbelievers. Haven't really bothered updating it to handle the GUI kids, we'll wait until Visual Studio grows up and gets a better scripting language than VBScript.

    CAPTCHA: dignissim: if you're a Visual Studio user and sold your dignity for a MSDN Super-Platinum subscription, you can get simulated dignity for only 299.95!

    Say what you will, Visual Studio 2010 is far and away the best IDE there is at least for Windows development. It is one of the only Microsoft products one can confidently claim is world class. The debugger absolutely destroys any combination of tools I've found on Linux. It's the best thing they've released in maybe ever.

    I've been using Linux for almost 15 years and have used vi fairly extensively. Since I use VS every day at work, I recently tried to use emacs to try and regain some street cred but I found it completely unbearable. I mean, come on, it's just abominable. It's like trying to play an MMORPG before WoW once you've experienced the polish of the WoW UI. Maybe I'm just not hardcore anymore, but user interfaces have moved on. How on earth do you put up with it?

    I know the keyboard is faster in many respects. Amazingly, GUI-based progams like VS also allow you to use macros and keyboard shortcuts too! Just in case you didn't know. It's a funny argument that pops up, where the arguer for some reason assumes the ability to control a mouse is exclusive to the ability to control a keyboard.

    Frankly, I have better things to do than to spend months of my life adapting myself to an awkward interface when VS is so much easier to use. And that's one thing the Linux community just does not get. People don't want to spend months dicking around trying to get something to work properly. I'm old enough now where I don't have that kind of time to devote to pointless stuff like that. It's just too hard to get started using emacs.

    I think in 30 years when we're all hooked in to our computers via neural interfaces, there'll still be some crusty old emacs users utterly convinced on how much better their "experience" is, sadly oblivious to how polished and efficient modern IDEs are.

    Sorry about the hijack... great plugin and great idea Alex!

  • blackd (cs) in reply to Emacs ahoy
    Emacs ahoy:
    I think in 30 years when we're all hooked in to our computers via neural interfaces, there'll still be some crusty old emacs users utterly convinced on how much better their "experience" is, sadly oblivious to how polished and efficient modern IDEs are.

    I'm sure that when a direct neural interface is developed Emacs and Vim will be more suitable for it because they are note build with the point and click idea as a central pillar.

  • Neil (unregistered) in reply to Niall

    I would have suspicions about a several of the categorisations - last time I looked Aberlour, Glenlivet and Macallan were all on Speyside ;)

  • pjt33 (unregistered) in reply to great prophet of emacs
    great prophet of emacs:
    Emacs ahoy:
    The only people who use emacs are those stuck in a timewarp who are convinced that, in the last 25 years of human progress, not a single improvement has been made in programming environments

    No, there have been plenty of improvements in emacs.

    and character based editors are still the cream of the crop

    Your editor is still character based, it just has useless glitz and can't run over SSH.

    Has someone removed the ability to forward X from ssh? </pedantry>

  • blackd (cs) in reply to pjt33
    pjt33:
    .... Has someone removed the ability to forward X from ssh? </pedantry>

    Good luck (and nerves of steel) using eclipse running on a server on the other end of the world over ssh tunnelling.

  • English Man (unregistered) in reply to hasse
    hasse:
    The TRWTF is using MS tools?
    TRWTF is (are?) fanboys.
  • iToad (unregistered) in reply to Sam
    Sam:
    Anonymouse cowherd:
    great, but when do we get a plugin for eclipse

    Why would you develop VB in Eclipse???

    Why not??? What could possibly go wrong?

  • DaEagle (cs)

    Please tell me it actually E-mails a bitmap containing wooden table and all!

  • f_ranek (unregistered)
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  • Kuba (cs) in reply to Carlos M
    Carlos M:
    This plugin facilitates a huge IP violation, but what the heck...if you can't fix it, publish it!
    It's not an asset, it's a liability ;)
  • Rohit (unregistered)
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  • blackd (cs)

    Soooo no mug for non eclipse plugins? :P

  • Kirby L. Wallace (unregistered)

    Does CodeSOD = Code Sign of Danger?

    No, really, I don't know.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Kirby L. Wallace
    Kirby L. Wallace:
    Does CodeSOD = Code Sign of Danger?

    No, really, I don't know.

    Code Sample of the Day.

  • Wayne (unregistered)
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  • Netbeans (unregistered)

    Need a Netbeans plugin here!!

  • Anonymous Coward (unregistered)

    The real wtf here is that the "Check In" icon is that of Source Safe...

  • TRWTFIVB (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward:
    The real wtf here is that the "Check In" icon is that of Source Safe...
    Holy shit, you're right! We've been listening to Alex harp on about WTFs for the last 5 years and now we learn the ugly truth that his codebase is controlled by frigging Source Safe. What next? Is 80% of it written in VB, by any chance?
  • John Rasch (cs) in reply to TRWTFIVB
    TRWTFIVB:
    Anonymous Coward:
    The real wtf here is that the "Check In" icon is that of Source Safe...
    Holy shit, you're right! We've been listening to Alex harp on about WTFs for the last 5 years and now we learn the ugly truth that his codebase is controlled by frigging Source Safe. What next? Is 80% of it written in VB, by any chance?

    Don't worry, we don't use Source Safe! We use SourceGear Vault and thankfully 0% is written in VB.

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