• (nodebb) in reply to 516052

    Back in my days you'd buy the whole newspaper, read the parts you are interested in and use the rest as toilet paper. And you didn't complain about having to pay for the whole thing.

    Oh, we complained. But we also knew we couldn't do anything about it.

  • MangusPI (unregistered) in reply to 516052

    You keep trying to rationalize taking over topics. This is not about walled gardens not isolation. This is just isn't the right place for political discussions. Most rational people understand this just fine. Many have asked this this be stopped but those like yourself are hellbent to do it anyways.

    P.S., a 14 page captcha, that's a new record.

  • TechHound (unregistered) in reply to 516052

    By turning third spaces into walled gardens strictly focused on a topic and nothing else you are destroying their ability to serve as a place for socialization

    Just by being a third space does not mean that there cannot be a central topic that serves the very existence of site. And wanting to adhere to that central topic is not same as pushing for any walled garden. This website is clearly about tech, more specifically about failures in code and technology. It is also article based, and brining up topics that bear no connection to said article for the sake of it is to place to yourself above others. If this was 20-30 years ago, you would have been kill-filed by most in a news group, or ignored in a forum. I have also seen countless good sites go your route and drive people away who came for that topic and not politics or any other topic that's complete irrelevant, especially those where those in charge would not or became to scared to moderate such posts.

    There are also plenty of public real worlds places where you'd also be met with resistance if you were to start loudly broadcasting your political views (regardless of what they are), so lets not pretend that that is something that is universally accepted in all places.

    There are plenty of good places for political discussions, but using places that have a very different topic is not ok and I have seen a couple dozen comments threads where this happened and every time there are people asking to stop. Why do you feel that they should not have a voice here?

  • Tomman (unregistered)

    ""That's how you end up with dead sites with single digit user counts made up only from people that are fanatical about the "topic".""

    Honestly, history has shown it's the other way around. Far too many places on the web have died precisely because some people though it was okay to invade any space they wanted and and not have to respect what people came for in the first place. Which for a place like this, most people come here for articles of tech/programming fails, and not political chatter; some come to places like this to get away from it.

    That's not to say that we have to keep to absolute topical discipline; if there is something connected, then fine, by all means, but going off on sudden and wild tangents that no one asked for and is not related to the article in any ways, that is clearly crossing the line.

    Why have specific topics if we can just make all places the same topics as we see fit? Why have separate subreddits on Reddit, or groups on Usenet, or sections on web Forums, distinct topical rooms/channels on chat/IRC/Discord/etc services? Or would you go into a clothing store, and start asking what would be needed to repair your lawn mower?

    There are so many places that do enforce remaining on-topic to varying degrees and some even have separate places for off-topic chat. Such separations have existed for a reason for a long time, and by and large, not to harm but to organize things in rational and useful ways, otherwise you lose the distinctiveness and identity that brought people to that place to begin with.

  • (nodebb) in reply to MangusPI

    many of those who did [participate in the raid] were found to be plants

    I'd be interested in a source for this please.

  • bobzilla (unregistered) in reply to 516052

    And people wonder why young people these days are so isolated, lonely and generally miserable and why society is so high strung and fragmented. This is why.

    It seems to be the real problem has been people sending the signal to younger folks that it's alright to just do whatever they want, that boundaries need not be set or respected. There are plenty of places for anyone, young or old, to socialize about whatever. There are many places are about specific subjects, and guess what, a great many people do not appreciate completely unrelated subject matters being shoehorned in. Dozens of people have expressed that they do not want that, so I really don't see what is so hard to understand for those like yourselves.

  • (nodebb) in reply to MangusPI

    Regarding your claim that "many of the people who participated in the raid were found to be plants", I fact-checked this and that's wrong. There were multiple investigations into this allegation and no evidence of "plants" (undercover agents, government provocateurs etc) were found. If you still believe this, what evidence is your belief based on?

    And regarding Trump's "ambiguous exhortations", the evidence i have that he was happy with violence in the Capital Building was his inaction long after it had started.

  • MangusPI (unregistered) in reply to Dr Tim

    Given who was in control of the FBI and DOJ during those years, the actual reports and evidence has been muddied beyond belief. As for you final statement, I cannot find any solid corroboration of that. What we have is a direct in the non-edited speech stating to go peacefully. The take away is when it comes to politics, be VERY careful where you get your information from. There are a lot of people who had and continue to have every reason to want to obscure, bend, and flat out misrepresent the truth.

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