• rbjacobs (unregistered) in reply to vr602
    vr602:
    Some Girl:
    Maybe Alex IS TopCod3r.

    Hmmm?

    No, TopCod3r is the Stig.

    <clarkson>Some say, on weekdays he goes trolling noobs on TDWTF...

    Whatever that means</clarkson>

  • (cs) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    ContraCorners:
    Of course, people have been fired for personal behavior outside of work and working hours. Just google "Peter Oiler" and "Winn-Dixie" for an example.

    Or "Eliot Spitzer".

    Indeed. Of course Mr. Spitzer's transgressions had the unfortunately property of being what we in the US call "illeagal."

  • Leen Smit (unregistered) in reply to GettinSadda

    Aparently, that IS the wtf? in this one. A non-wtf story on the frontpage == a definite wtf-feeling..

  • Bob (unregistered)

    A curious perversion of human nature but surely not a curious perversion of information technology. Kind of sad but but kind of uplifting, since this sort of thing can't help but make you feel better about yourself. I'm definitely feeling more positive about my amphetamine dependency. Oh wait, that might be because I'm coming up... oh yeah... fingers at the ready bitches, it's CODIN TIME!!1!

  • Channel6 (unregistered) in reply to I walked the dinosaur
    I walked the dinosaur:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    We use a similar method. When someone hits a slow week and doesn't get as much quality development done in the same amount of time, we know that it is because they have been drinking. Usually my bosses boss will then have a talk with them, unless it's the second offense, in which case they probably get reported to HR and summarily fired. We actively encourage for our developers to live whatever lifestyle they wish away from work, but when they start drinking and it has bad effects on their work habits (which 99% of the time it does), then action has to be taken.

    Our developers aren't on call 24 x 7 though. We at least trust them enough not to have to be able to check on them after work hours.

    Is this a troll? Or someone agreeing dangerously close to a troll?

  • Bob (unregistered) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    Congratulations, you have been trolled.

    We accept the first level of nearly convincing troll as entertainment and acknowlede the gullible with smug grins. What if the response is another nearly convincing troll? Have you been 2nd order trolled?

    Have I have been 3rd order trolled?

  • Channel6 (unregistered) in reply to Kermos
    Kermos:
    This story reminds me of this girl I dated earlier this year. Didn't take me long to realize that she liked vodka quite a bit. Then after that, didn't take me long to realize that she had an addiction. Kind of became obvious when she would get out of bed, head downstairs to the fridge, and come back up with a glass filled with redbull & vodka. At 10am in the morning.

    Never thought in my life that I would be as happy as I was when I finally got out of that relationship.

    Do you still have her number?

  • (cs) in reply to Channel6
    Channel6:
    I walked the dinosaur:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    We use a similar method. When someone hits a slow week and doesn't get as much quality development done in the same amount of time, we know that it is because they have been drinking. Usually my bosses boss will then have a talk with them, unless it's the second offense, in which case they probably get reported to HR and summarily fired. We actively encourage for our developers to live whatever lifestyle they wish away from work, but when they start drinking and it has bad effects on their work habits (which 99% of the time it does), then action has to be taken.

    Our developers aren't on call 24 x 7 though. We at least trust them enough not to have to be able to check on them after work hours.

    Is this a troll? Or someone agreeing dangerously close to a troll?

    If you have to ask...

  • Channel6 (unregistered) in reply to HK44
    HK44:
    josh:
    my company had to fire a sysadmin for smoking crack in the hall
    Sorry you lost your job

    Smoking is illegal indoors in a lot of countries these days

  • Channel6 (unregistered) in reply to ContraCorners
    ContraCorners:
    some guy:
    Soviut:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    I'm glad I'm not on your team.

    Wow. Four pages in and people still falling for TopCod3r. Do you people not read teh other comments before posting your own...?

    It is amazing, isn't it? Hats off to TopCod3r. It can't be easy to write such obvious trolling AND get so many others to completely miss it.

    Of course, people have been fired for personal behavior outside of work and working hours. Just google "Peter Oiler" and "Winn-Dixie" for an example.

    http://www.laaclu.org/News/2002/winn.htm

    In fairness, TC has taught me to read who each comment is written by...

  • ch. (unregistered) in reply to some guy
    some guy:
    Somewhere, someone is laughing to themselves, "ha ha they think I thought TopCod3r was serious!"
    Two other possible explanations: 1) People with issues get easily strongly offended by TC's post and they immediately hit "quote" and post their reply without reading following posts. 2) TC writes most of the replies himself.
  • (cs) in reply to ch.
    ch.:
    some guy:
    Somewhere, someone is laughing to themselves, "ha ha they think I thought TopCod3r was serious!"
    Two other possible explanations: 1) People with issues get easily strongly offended by TC's post and they immediately hit "quote" and post their reply without reading following posts. 2) TC writes most of the replies himself.

    I hadn't considered TC writing his own posts. I think we've covered every possible conspiracy theory now.

    I think most of the post are actually behaving the rules of Quantum Trolling, which is the ability for a reply on the Internet to simultaneously be two states: feeding a troll and performing its own troll.

  • Stephen (unregistered) in reply to TopCod3r

    You live in the USA dont you?

    What would be classed as a breach of human rights in any civilized country.

  • (cs) in reply to some guy
    some guy:
    ch.:
    some guy:
    Somewhere, someone is laughing to themselves, "ha ha they think I thought TopCod3r was serious!"
    Two other possible explanations: 1) People with issues get easily strongly offended by TC's post and they immediately hit "quote" and post their reply without reading following posts. 2) TC writes most of the replies himself.

    I hadn't considered TC writing his own posts. I think we've covered every possible conspiracy theory now.

    I think most of the post are actually behaving the rules of Quantum Trolling, which is the ability for a reply on the Internet to simultaneously be two states: feeding a troll and performing its own troll.

    And as we know, a sufficiently good conspiracy theory cannot be proven to be false! Therefore, it must be true.

    (There's holes in my logic.)

  • (cs) in reply to Stephen
    Stephen:
    You live in the USA dont you?

    What would be classed as a breach of human rights in any civilized country.

    Great comment! I love talking about this kind of thing. But who or what are you responding to?
  • (cs) in reply to ContraCorners
    ContraCorners:
    Stephen:
    You live in the USA dont you?

    What would be classed as a breach of human rights in any civilized country.

    Great comment! I love talking about this kind of thing. But who or what are you responding to?

    Well, this comment is kind of nice on it's own too. It'd make for a nice motivational poster of some kind.

  • Jimmy Wiper (unregistered)

    Sounds like Burt is a pretty cool guy!

    JIff www.anonweb.eu.tc

  • (cs) in reply to Sir Meowmix III
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    Those who are more often on this site know that TopCod3r happily works overtime without getting paid. What I did not know is that he expects the same behavior from his colleagues and badmouths on them in front of his boss when they don't. With such a friend you don't need enemies.

  • (cs) in reply to ch.
    ch.:
    some guy:
    Somewhere, someone is laughing to themselves, "ha ha they think I thought TopCod3r was serious!"
    Two other possible explanations: 1) People with issues get easily strongly offended by TC's post and they immediately hit "quote" and post their reply without reading following posts. 2) TC writes most of the replies himself.

    You're point #2 is wrong. I don't reply to myself using another username, although I get the feeling some other people on here do. I am sorry that people get offended by my stories about my workplace. I realize that not everyone is accustomed to diverse situations that they are not used to. Working in IT is not for everyone.

  • (cs) in reply to TopCod3r

    You must be joking; do you seriously expect everyone on your team to never drink? Having one or two drinks can NOT affect you the next day. I would never work for you.

  • (cs) in reply to Channel6
    Channel6:
    I walked the dinosaur:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    We use a similar method. When someone hits a slow week and doesn't get as much quality development done in the same amount of time, we know that it is because they have been drinking. Usually my bosses boss will then have a talk with them, unless it's the second offense, in which case they probably get reported to HR and summarily fired. We actively encourage for our developers to live whatever lifestyle they wish away from work, but when they start drinking and it has bad effects on their work habits (which 99% of the time it does), then action has to be taken.

    Our developers aren't on call 24 x 7 though. We at least trust them enough not to have to be able to check on them after work hours.

    Is this a troll? Or someone agreeing dangerously close to a troll?

    Is your boss Russian or so? Hey, working time is 8 hours/day, generally, not 24 hours. How much does your boss pay to have power over you 24 hours/day. And, best of all, you seem to like it, or, at least you defend such totalitary behavior. Can YOU fire HIM for something similar, too?

  • (cs) in reply to Bob
    Bob:
    Zylon:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    Congratulations, you have been trolled.

    We accept the first level of nearly convincing troll as entertainment and acknowlede the gullible with smug grins. What if the response is another nearly convincing troll? Have you been 2nd order trolled?

    Have I have been 3rd order trolled?

    3rd order troll would be:

    Have I have been I have been have I been trolled.

  • Dan (unregistered) in reply to The Coffey Maker

    It always stuns me to read of these situations. I cannot even begin to fathom how people can be so oblivious to others' dysfunctional behavior, not to mention how people can seriously believe they can continue to function in the real world with such 'issues'.

    Wow.

  • (cs) in reply to Sir Meowmix III
    Sir Meowmix III:
    Gabelstaplerfahrer:
    MechanicJay:
    Didn't you comment a few days ago about a high-rate of turnover in your team... I think I'm beginning to understand why.

    Sounds like an independent TDWTF report is in the making...

    The only power someone has over you is the power you choose to freely give them. If TopCh0d3r pulled this speech on me or even pretended like he could tell me what to do on my free time I'd summon the hatred of the ancients and soon he would be overwhelmed.

    This thread makes me thirsty for some whiskey.

    There should be a "Get Drunk At Work"-day just to screw TopCh0d3r and his boss.

  • (cs) in reply to ClaudeSuck.de
    ClaudeSuck.de:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    Gabelstaplerfahrer:
    MechanicJay:
    Didn't you comment a few days ago about a high-rate of turnover in your team... I think I'm beginning to understand why.

    Sounds like an independent TDWTF report is in the making...

    The only power someone has over you is the power you choose to freely give them. If TopCh0d3r pulled this speech on me or even pretended like he could tell me what to do on my free time I'd summon the hatred of the ancients and soon he would be overwhelmed.

    This thread makes me thirsty for some whiskey.

    There should be a "Get Drunk At Work"-day just to screw TopCh0d3r and his boss.

    How about "Get your daughter drunk at work day?"
  • SCB (unregistered) in reply to AlpineR
    AlpineR:
    Doesn't anyone read the comments? We wouldn't have half as many to read if half of you read half of them before posting.

    I tried to do the math on that but had to give up.

  • Hmm (unregistered) in reply to TopCod3r
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    Oh my God, I would NEVER work on your team, it sounds like <om nom nom nom delicious flame bait om nom nom>

  • Khalil (unregistered) in reply to Sir Meowmix III
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    LOL, beat me to it. I was gonna say I've worked with asshats like this guy before.

  • K (unregistered)

    This doesn't really seem to keep with the theme of the site...it's mostly depressing. Thumbs down on this kind of stuff in the future.

  • PaperTape (unregistered)

    Well, by now I suspect that, with the exception of a few tribesmen in central Australia, everyone knows that TopCod3r is a troll, so how come so many respond?

    My theory is that they all really like watching the action, and realize that without reaction, TopCod3r would stop trolling (horrors!).

    In fact, it is possible that ALL the responses to TopCod3r are coming from people like that and not even one response is on the level. And maybe they have a dual purpose – first to keep TopCod3r in the business and second to get someone to respond to the fact that they were “taken in” – sort of a metatroll.

    Next we have the ones who keep trying to point out to these people how stupid they are to fall for such obvious trolling. Why can’t those people see the obvious – that those people aren’t really stupid but just doing what needs to be done to keep TopCod3r trolling away? Come on people!

    Or maybe… maybe they also know that those people aren’t stupid and are just saying so to get a response out of us? Maybe they are also trolling!

    And maybe, just maybe I don’t really believe any of this and you’ve just been trolled?

  • (cs) in reply to ContraCorners
    ContraCorners:
    ClaudeSuck.de:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    This thread makes me thirsty for some whiskey.
    There should be a "Get Drunk At Work"-day just to screw TopCh0d3r and his boss.
    How about "Get your daughter drunk at work day?"
    C|N>K

    You owe me a new keyboard, and a new nasal cavity lining. That coffee was HOT, damnit!

  • (cs) in reply to DangerMouse9
    DangerMouse9:
    Lupus is a disease.

    It's never Lupus.

  • LEGO (unregistered) in reply to bla
    bla:
    You got to be kiddin me! People accept that? No way my employer forbids me to drink alcohol in my freetime!

    Yeah, people accept that. Airline pilots for example, 24hrs bottle to throttle or they don't climb into the cockpit. Would you want to fly on an airline that didn't enforce this? How about surgeons? I'll bet a trip to a semi-drunk or hung over dentist would be a real joy as well. You can be first in line for one of those!

    -Lego

  • Crabs (unregistered) in reply to LEGO
    LEGO:
    bla:
    You got to be kiddin me! People accept that? No way my employer forbids me to drink alcohol in my freetime!

    Yeah, people accept that. Airline pilots for example, 24hrs bottle to throttle or they don't climb into the cockpit. Would you want to fly on an airline that didn't enforce this? How about surgeons? I'll bet a trip to a semi-drunk or hung over dentist would be a real joy as well. You can be first in line for one of those!

    -Lego

    The rule is 8 hours bottle to throttle.

  • kmerkle (unregistered)

    This post has nothing to do with code, manangement, interviews, or any other related topic. It's poking fun at a person with a serious illness. Maybe next time you can make fun of the bald lady on chemo.

  • John (unregistered)

    Takes a devoted man to mix Vodka and Rootbeer...

  • Physics Phil (unregistered) in reply to Crabs
    Crabs:
    Also, no cop will ever expect a drunk driver during the morning rush hour commute, so your safe so long as your not absolutely retarded.
    Wrong. In adl.sa.au, they have Random Breath Test units praesent in the morning rush to catch those still over the limit in the morning.
  • Physics Phil (unregistered) in reply to Thunder
    Thunder:
    Valerion:
    Bottom line - Alcoholism is not a WTF. It's a disease.
    Eh? Sorry, dude, you've been falling for the AA claptrap. It's an addiction, and like all addictions it is ultimately a choice. Saying it's a disease implies that the 'victim' has no control over it - which is crap. Don't let anybody convince you otherwise.
    I don't know whether addiction is a disease (although AIUI many psychiatry texts consider them to be diseases), it certainly requires choice, over a period of time, to become addicted to alcohol. However, those who become addicted whilst suffering from other mental problems, such as depression, are deserving of the same sympathy as those who attempt suicide or do other foolish and self-destructive things whilst not in their right mind. THerefore, my level of sympathy to those suffering from addiction depends on the circumstances, although I do not think that pokie (fruit machine) addiction is entirely legitimate as an addiction,a s the addiction is to the endorphins rush of winning, and you can get the same endorphins from strenuous excersise, which of course costs far less.
  • A Gould (unregistered) in reply to Outlaw Programmer
    Outlaw Programmer:
    The scariest part is each and every one of his posts has a corresponding article on this site where some clueless boss implemented the same policies for real!

    I suspect how TC gets away with it is that all his "policies" do exist in unofficial form, so it's not surprising to claim that someone was officially enforcing them. I'm not "on call" in the paid sense, but I'm supposed to answer the phone after hours. Attendance at weekend meetings is optional, but expected. It's really bad in 24-hr environments, where the day shift doesn't see a reason why the night and graveyard shift can't come in for an 8am meeting.

    TC does have a knack for hitting that perfect "bs/real" line.

  • Physics Phil (unregistered) in reply to bob
    bob:
    I saw what was coming the second I read "I brought my own". Who the F brings their own drink to a restaurant? Alcoholics, that's who, or some health nut, but they wouldn't be drinking root beer. Nobody in between would do that.

    Evil escaped convicts impersonating paranoid ex-aurors?

  • Physics Phil (unregistered) in reply to MeRp
    MeRp:
    Zylon:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    Congratulations, you have been trolled.

    I like this meme much better than that stupid rick-rolling thing. This one doesn't involve lying to someone to trick them into doing something.. just pointing out when people fall for TopCod3r's amazing insights.

    I find that once I have been rickrolled it helps to look on the bright side. Usually, I am not expecting a video, so I just close the tab when I see one, and at least it isn't Goatse.

  • Physics Phil (unregistered) in reply to Kermos
    Kermos:
    This story reminds me of this girl I dated earlier this year. Didn't take me long to realize that she liked vodka quite a bit. Then after that, didn't take me long to realize that she had an addiction. Kind of became obvious when she would get out of bed, head downstairs to the fridge, and come back up with a glass filled with redbull & vodka.
    I have heard an urban legend claiming this to be a hangover cure. However, it seems to work on the principle of getting the drinker plastered enough to not feel the hangover and then high on caffeine and sugar so they show signs of life, so it isn't very effective. I haven't tried this myself, since I hate red bull and consider vodka a somewhat pointless drink in most circumstances[0], since the vodka in my price range has no real flavour, and Oyzo and similar drinks are both stronger and usually sold illegally, so are untaxed and therefore cheaper.
    Kermos:
    At 10am in the morning.
    Is there such a time as 10 in the morning, then? I didn't know such horrible hours existed. Urgh!

    BTW: 10 am int eh morning is a tautology.

  • (cs) in reply to GettinSadda
    GettinSadda:
    So, "Alcoholic caught drinking at work" now counts as a front page WTF does it?

    Hell yeah it does, those are some of the most entertaining stories!

  • Manic Mailman (unregistered) in reply to Sir Meowmix III
    Sir Meowmix III:
    fruey:
    Alcoholism is sad, but the only real WTF is that most of the comments are related to a (rather clever) troll about no drinking 24/7 in his shop.

    His troll-craft is strong.

    He reminds me a little of The Glorious MEEPT!, except not as poetic.

  • AC (unregistered) in reply to gherkin
    gherkin:
    I'm with the "how is an alcoholic caught drinking at work a WTF?" camp.

    Me too.

    More code or tech related WTFs, Alex! Just because there's a printer somewhere in the story doesn't mean it's interesting (or technology-related).

  • MeRp (unregistered) in reply to Physics Phil
    Physics Phil:
    MeRp:
    Zylon:
    Sir Meowmix III:
    TopCod3r:
    That is a prime example of why on my development team, I have told everyone they are not allowed to drink. Because even if you drink while you are away from work, it could affect your code the next day. Also, on my team you are on call 24x7, so if you drink while you are away from work, you are still technically drinking on the job so to speak, which in my opinion is a fire-able offense. And when I recommend someone gets fired, I think my boss will listen to me.

    You must really pay great with all that overtime. If you expect someone to be working 24x7 and be at your beck and call you darn well better be paying them overtime. If you pulled this speech with me I'd pour you a nice glass of STFU from which you could freely quaff.

    Congratulations, you have been trolled.

    I like this meme much better than that stupid rick-rolling thing. This one doesn't involve lying to someone to trick them into doing something.. just pointing out when people fall for TopCod3r's amazing insights.

    I find that once I have been rickrolled it helps to look on the bright side. Usually, I am not expecting a video, so I just close the tab when I see one, and at least it isn't Goatse.

    Oh, you haven't been rickrolled using one of those sites that won't let you close the browser/tab short of killing the process?

    Speaking of goatse... someone asked me to go to a site claiming that it wasn't anything like that; it was, and it was a site that I had to kill the process to close. I was doing something semi-important in the browser. That is why I installed noscript. I also promised the person I would never go to a web site they recommended again.

  • Litho (unregistered) in reply to The Coffey Maker

    We had an overhead crane operator that was never without an orange to eat. Someone in management finally figured out that he was injecting vodka into them, so they fired him. At least they tried to. The union got on the case and forced them to keep him on... a heavy equipment operator for Pete's sake!

  • (cs) in reply to Physics Phil
    Is there such a time as 10 in the morning, then? I didn't know such horrible hours existed. Urgh!
    Actually, its the time when you grab the ibuprofen, down a glass of water, roll over and sleep the rest of the spins off. It can be measured but just not by anyone experiencing it.

    I'm also not convinced if alcoholism is a disease, it seems more like a way of life to me...

    And TopCod3r, I've tried that approach, but I actually found its better to hold weekly heavy drinking contests. It improves morale, and ensures your team has the tolerance level to handle being called in late at night.

  • Bobdobbs (unregistered) in reply to Daniel

    Is it really so bad? Surely everyone is doing it these days?

    http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=lCF&q=cocaine%20usage&cr=countryUK|countryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

  • Bobdobbs (unregistered) in reply to Litho

    Whats up with that? - Obviously it's useful to have unions to balance management, but when it comes to health and safety, surely lawas are being broken ? (Prob different in your country?)

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